Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [9th - 14th September 2016]

Was poor from Mignolet as his original ball was putting Lucas under pressure straight away but he should be able to control a ball that's rolling to him.

Not really as the Leicester player wasnt allowed to enter the box. Hed of been nowhere near it had the laws been followed.
 
I thought you said you only saw the highlights Yas?

Mustafi was composed, looks like he could be a great defender for the club. Perez was trying to get involved in a lot but wasnt really clicking. I like his style though, looks aggressive, very much hounding defenders and trying to battle them.

Xhaka and Sanchez were obviously rested thinking the game would be a lot easier than it was, Southampton have been in poor form so i'm guessing Wenger's mentality was we'll rest them for the PSG game which is in 3 days

Probably the internationals, we have to give them a little time, new league no preseason games. Perez doesn't look like that out and out striker though, more another to add to that front three playing behind the single striker. Time will tell, at least we got the three points ;)
 
Only just got around to seeing the Utd-City match. Didn't think either of Utd's penalty appeals were pens. The handball is never a pen in a million years and the Bravo/Rooney challenge is getting blown out of proportion. Everyone is going on about him leaving the ground and showing his studs but by the time he actually makes any contact with the ball/Rooney, his body is grounded (therefore his full body weight isn't going into the challenge) and he actually challenges and wins the ball with his side foot.
 
http://www.football365.com/news/man-united-1-2-man-city-16-conclusions


They are fairly scathing of Mourinho and I can't disagree with many of the points they made. Guardiola picked his best team and played his way, Mourinho made stupid changes to try and make his team play to counter Guardiola rather than play their best, but he was at home and had winning form with his existing team.

He then throws those two under the bus, two players he wasn't trusting already and hadn't given appropriate minutes to be in form for such a game. There is nothing wrong with playing those two, but in a big and important game playing two non match fit players is flat out stupid, then throwing them under the bus as the reason you lost when it was both his choice to start them and his choice to not prepare them for the match(with more minutes in previous games).

It almost feels like Mourinho started them on purpose so he had an excuse for losing and a reason not to play either that much going forward.

I still can't get past how funny it is that 2 years ago Mourinho decided to ditch Chelsea's best youngster(by an absolute mile) who was good enough for the first team and might be their best player today.... and at the same time tried to buy Rooney. both decisions haunt him today. In trying to buy Rooney he scared Utd into a ridiculously high wage 5 year contract that means he's still a certain starter for Utd now and KDB is back and was instrumental in defeating another Mourinho team.
 
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I thought you said you only saw the highlights Yas?

Mustafi was composed, looks like he could be a great defender for the club. Perez was trying to get involved in a lot but wasnt really clicking. I like his style though, looks aggressive, very much hounding defenders and trying to battle them.

Xhaka and Sanchez were obviously rested thinking the game would be a lot easier than it was, Southampton have been in poor form so i'm guessing Wenger's mentality was we'll rest them for the PSG game which is in 3 days

I watched the extended highlights, granted it really didn't show much of Mustafi and Perez but from what I saw, they were ok. I didn't expect them to set the world alight as they still need time to adjust to the PL coming from la Liga. I'm not saying they were terrible, Mustafi looks like he will come good after a few games and also Perez, who I hope can start banging them in. He looks decent and I just hope Wenger keeps the faith with him as in letting him settle in. My only fear is Wenger benching him and not giving him a fair chance. Similar to how he treated Joel Campbell who I thought last season did well when pushed into the team. But yet this season ships him out on loan once again.

Oh forgot that we have PSG on tues so I guess Wenger resting Xhaka made sense in that case.
 
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Chelsea: Courtois; Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry (c), Azpilicueta; Kante; Willian, Oscar, Matic, Hazard; Diego Costa

Subs: Begovic, David Luiz, Alonso, Fabregas, Moses, Pedro, Batshuayi
 
That is a lovely goal for Forrest.

How ridiculous is a yellow card for celebrating with the crowd, **** off with that.
 
That is a lovely goal for Forrest.

How ridiculous is a yellow card for celebrating with the crowd, **** off with that.

You only had to look back a couple of games to the Utd celebration of a goal. When players go into the crowd, fans pile forwards, Fellaini was helping an older lady who got knocked down.

Also by getting close to the fans it both encouraged them forwards, caused plenty to fall onto the pitch and plenty of people to follow them onto the pitch to hug players and jump around like idiots.

There is a very real reason to keep players from going and hugging fans, because fans are completely ******* stupid and the second fans think they can celebrate with a player they surge forward and it causes all kinds of safety issues.
 
http://www.football365.com/news/man-united-1-2-man-city-16-conclusions


They are fairly scathing of Mourinho and I can't disagree with many of the points they made. Guardiola picked his best team and played his way, Mourinho made stupid changes to try and make his team play to counter Guardiola rather than play their best, but he was at home and had winning form with his existing team.

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Seeing as both City goals were conceded by faults from players that were unchanged (blind was responsible for the 1st, and played striker onside for the 2nd and Fellaini should have pressed higher up to cut the pass out to silva for the 2nd even before that)

City probably deserved one (the one that practically hit both posts before going out for a goal kick), but Zlatan should have scored at least one more before 1/2 time

The Utd performance in the 1st half was **** , unquestionably, and City 's build up play was a lot better than anything they did in the last 1/3 for the most part.

It could fairly be argued that Utd should have actually been ahead at 1/2 time even after playing **** for 30 odd minutes (and carrying Rooney)

Blind isn't a centre half and should never be played as one when Smalling and Bailly are available.

edit - seeing as Ottemendi watched the ball over his shoulder and moved his elbow to meet it (as can clearly be seen on MOTD) its daft to say it isn't a pen (although I can see why in r/t it wasn't given , it still should have been awarded)
 
Seeing as both City goals were conceded by faults from players that were unchanged (blind was responsible for the 1st, and played striker onside for the 2nd and Fellaini should have pressed higher up to cut the pass out to silva for the 2nd even before that)

City probably deserved one (the one that practically hit both posts before going out for a goal kick), but Zlatan should have scored at least one more before 1/2 time

The Utd performance in the 1st half was **** , unquestionably, and City 's build up play was a lot better than anything they did in the last 1/3 for the most part.

It could fairly be argued that Utd should have actually been ahead at 1/2 time even after playing **** for 30 odd minutes (and carrying Rooney)

Blind isn't a centre half and should never be played as one when Smalling and Bailly are available.

edit - seeing as Ottemendi watched the ball over his shoulder and moved his elbow to meet it (as can clearly be seen on MOTD) its daft to say it isn't a pen (although I can see why in r/t it wasn't given , it still should have been awarded)


Not sure what any of that had to do with what I said, quite aside from it almost all being wrong.

There is no argument that Utd should have been ahead at half time, none at all. There is little argument that Zlatan should have scored another... people miss chances, that is the nature of football. Most people would have scored the one he did do, largely because of his height but I can't think of another player who has so much control from a ball that high in the air(even scaled down to a smaller player), the way he does back heels on ball that high with great accuracy and has scored from such back heels is amazing.

Otamendi should 100% have gotten a penalty when Bailly went through his standing foot in the second half as he was shooting. The 'elbow to ball' wouldn't be given 99 out of 100 times and shouldn't have been given yesterday either.

Blind starting has exactly nothing to do with any of the points I made in the first place, but he's also been excellent in the previous games at CB where he's played plenty and been excellent. Bailly was also the one who failed to challenge a much smaller player for the header in the first place.
 
Is that Smith commentating? Saying Costa bought that foul a while back and got the other player booked, replay quite clearly shows the guy raking his studs down his achilles, painful in anyone's book. Admittedly it didn't look like anything from one angle but the other angle was clear as day and he didn't change his mind on it.
 
Ref losing control of game. Courtois off again? It's a goal scoring chance for sure. Meh, tbh, from the replay he missed the ball but the Swansea player also missed the ball, it was behind him and bouncing away so he would have had to turn around and go after it before he could shoot.
 
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