7 day NHS impossible / NHS Brexit funding abandoned?

[Mr Badger]

Seven-day NHS 'impossible under current funding levels'

"A seven-day NHS is "impossible" to achieve with the current funding and staffing levels, the chief executive of NHS Providers says."

Brexit camp abandons £350m-a-week NHS funding pledge

"Many of those who headed the Vote Leave campaign, including its former chair, Labour MP Gisela Stuart, and Michael Gove, the Tory former justice secretary, are re-forming this weekend, creating a new pressure group called Change Britain.

Other top names involved in the organisation, which says it is being established to help “deliver the UK’s referendum result in the most effective way”, include former chancellor Nigel (Lord) Lawson, Digby Jones, former head of the CBI, and David (Lord) Owen, the former Labour foreign secretary.

But despite the NHS pledge having been at the heart of their message in the run-up to the 23 June vote, and displayed on the official Vote Leave battlebus, the Change Britain website made no mention of the NHS in its manifesto about how to make a success of Brexit."

Same story in the Independent: Brexit: Vote Leave camp abandon £350m-a-week NHS vow in Change Britain plans

 

[adolf hamster]

So the brexiteers spun a story about the nhs to get votes and are now backpeddling.

Nothing new in politics then

 

[RaohNS]

Oh good, another thread bashing Brexit because we're still throwing toys out the pram regarding the fact that one side cant take losing

 

[Rroff]

Have to wonder what went wrong with the NHS - should be a shining example of what we can do as a society instead we seem to be ******* it over for small minded agendas.

 

[Mr Badger]

So the brexiteers spun a story about the nhs to get votes and are now backpeddling.

Nothing new in politics then

Interesting position to take now though as the other story indicates that the NHS funding position is looking worse than ever and that the current plans for it are impossible.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Oh good, another thread bashing Brexit because we're still throwing toys out the pram regarding the fact that one side cant take losing

Yea, it's totally that.

Had the result been the other way round then you'd have presumably had no issue at all and would never have raised the issue of the EU again, right?

 

[Sankari]

Brexit camp abandons £350m-a-week NHS funding pledge

Anyone with half a brain already knew this promise would never be kept.

Everyone else voted for Brexit.

Have to wonder what went wrong with the NHS

Privatisation. The PPP doctrine doomed it from the very first day. Privatisation invariably brings higher costs, lower efficiency, and endless layers of cash-sucking management.

 

[Jono8]

People actually thought we would be better off and would have £350 million to give to the NHS?

lol

 

[benjii]

Oh good, another thread bashing Brexit because we're still throwing toys out the pram regarding the fact that one side cant take losing

Really?

Which ever way you voted, we can all agree that the NHS is horrendously underfunded and stretched too thin. Disregarding that this promise may have gained extra votes, the "side" that won has a responsibility to uphold their promises they made to their voters and this is a monumental failure to do so.

 

[Caged]

Ignoring the £350m guff, this stood out as being the most interesting thing in the BBC article for me:

It highlights that 80% of England's acute hospitals are in financial deficit, compared with 5% three years ago - while missed A&E waiting time targets have risen from 10% to 90%.

Seems to be a pretty chronic management failure to me. I wonder if anybody will be held responsible for this, or do the people who rely on the NHS get to shoulder the burden?

 

[GAC]

Seems to be a pretty chronic management failure to me. I wonder if anybody will be held responsible for this, or do the people who rely on the NHS get to shoulder the burden?

nah they just make themselves a new job role to move in to with a £240k a year income.

 

[Destination]

People actually thought we would be better off and would have £350 million to give to the NHS?

lol

Well, people are sick of experts after all
Thank God for Nige and Govy, they're about as far removed from being expert about anything.

 

[RaohNS]

Yea, it's totally that.

Had the result been the other way round then you'd have presumably had no issue at all and would never have raised the issue of the EU again, right?

Nope, democracy and the majority have spoken. Deal with it.

Really?

Which ever way you voted, we can all agree that the NHS is horrendously underfunded and stretched too thin. Disregarding that this promise may have gained extra votes, the "side" that won has a responsibility to uphold their promises they made to their voters and this is a monumental failure to do so.

Evidently so.

It is indeed underfunded in some areas and overfunded/paid in others.

So the side that loses also has to uphold its promises of WW3, Russian invasion and a host of other project fear threats. Lets have some fighter jets take off to attack Paris and Berlin to make sure that assurance is delivered.

 

[benjii]

nah they just make themselves a new job role to move in to with a £240k a year income.

Don't forget the 6 figure financial consultants they'll hire to help.

 

[Destination]

Ignoring the £350m guff, this stood out as being the most interesting thing in the BBC article for me:



Seems to be a pretty chronic management failure to me. I wonder if anybody will be held responsible for this, or do the people who rely on the NHS get to shoulder the burden?

Well instead of addressing this issue, the chap with a nice rhyme about him will push for further savings, cuts and magically short staff the entire week by moving to his seven day abomination.

 

[Jono8]

So the side that loses also has to uphold its promises of WW3, Russian invasion and a host of other project fear threats. Lets have some fighter jets take off to attack Paris and Berlin to make sure that assurance is delivered.

What?

 

[Caged]

Well instead of addressing this issue, the chap with a nice rhyme about him will push for further savings, cuts and magically short staff the entire week by moving to his seven day abomination.

Happened on his watch so under the usual rules of appropriating blame and recognition in politics, Hunt should go surely? It's difficult to deny the link between NHS performance and funding.

 

[RaohNS]

The losing side said there would be another war in Europe, that Russia would see us as more vulnerable, the country would collapse overnight.

The experts (so called) were wrong. All these threads point to is that the banned word on here that sounds like flow snakes are upset at being told no.

£350m a week wouldn't be nearly enough to plug the hole in the NHS. Brexit should happen, now lets start being positive and get on with it.

 

[Caged]

I believe if we all try really hard we can make this thread about NHS funding and not some sort of poo-flinging smug feeling Brexit thread.

 

[Jono8]

The losing side said there would be another war in Europe, that Russia would see us as more vulnerable, the country would collapse overnight.

Did the remain side publish large posters saying "There will be WW3 and Russia will invade if you vot to leave"?