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[Computerbase] - 3gb vs 4gb vs 6gb vs 8gb GDDR5 VRAM Frametime Testing

You're side stepping the point by making it all about GTA-V, there are a lot of other games in this world and some of them crap out on the V-Ram long before they run out of grunt.

If they are on a strict budget of £200 I would advise they save up a tenner and get an 8GB 470 or used 1060 6GB, RX 480 8GB or 390/X or 980TI if they can find one for around £200.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8wyEMnHgaI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl6AFaB49Mo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obrCnW6Ss2I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRF3TJY5qs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07xjiQvb9xE

Just a few off the top of my head. I guess if you don't mind playing at under 30 fps, no probs but I certainly wouldn't want that and find anything under 50 fps quite horrid.
 
Thats averaging 35, at stock. overclock it and it will be averaging 45.

Perfectly fine frame rates.

The point we are making there are other games where frame rates are higher than that before it runs into V-Ram issues.

not if his other videos are anything to go by. That gpu unless he states otherwise it's running at 1340mhz-ish. He's not going to get another 30% (1700mhz+.... lol) out of that core to add another 10fps and I also can't believe you would suggest that averaging 35fps is acceptable in any game :confused:

wouldnt recommend a 970 at this point. Not enough grunt to maintain 60fps with all the bells and whistles and not enough vram to run super silly ultra settings.

Why did Nvidia and AMD stop making double vram versions of their cards? Is it to discourage MGPU?

The 290x an the gtx680 were the last ones offered with the double vram varient wernt they? Im guessing Nvidia stopped doing it the same time they came up with the Titan and they didnt wanna give a cheaper option for those who needed lots of vram so they were stuck buying Titans. AMD i guess were limited to 4gig and couldnt offer an 8 gig option of their Fiji because of HBM.

Maybe they will both starting offering double vram options again just to close this thread :)

What makes it even more silly is the mobile 970 is available with 8gb of vram.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8wyEMnHgaI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl6AFaB49Mo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obrCnW6Ss2I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRF3TJY5qs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07xjiQvb9xE

Just a few off the top of my head. I guess if you don't mind playing at under 30 fps, no probs but I certainly wouldn't want that and find anything under 50 fps quite horrid.

4 Vids there.

Tomb Raider is at 1440P
Tom Clancy's is over the 3.5GB buffer (3.7Gb) and with that has erratic frame rates... my side point made.
Hitman seems to be running at 60+ apart from some odd glitch where the GPU usage tanks and it drops to 30 FPS, Nvidia Drivers?

The only one is Witcher 3 (GamesGimp?)

And your side stepping the point with this again.

Nvidia half V-Ram card isn't even a proper 1060, the SKU its self is gimped. Its like AMD 470's is to the 480, yet that still comes in a 8GB version.
Look its quite simple... you recommend 3 and 4GB cards all you like, i'll recommend 6 and 8GB cards, i don't see the point in you trying to prove to my those cards are enough to run 1080P now and in the future, they aint and i'm never going to agree with you. little over £200 RX470 8GB, marginally slower than the 480, job done. Or under £190 for the Nitro 470, 4GB still works better than 3GB.
I mean with this you are actually suggesting because performance is not great on your little selection here it mean's they can't run anything maxed out at 1080P, of course they can and some of those thing want more than 3 or even 4GB. Or at least they run better if the card does have more.

I don't get why you don't like that advice, you may not agree with it and that's fine, but you are actually annoyed by it to the point where you need to hunt down games in an attempt use them (lol) to out right prove me wrong. what?
 
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I have pretty bad eyesight , at 1080p 2 foot from screen playing games at 60 fps I can't tell the difference between compressed lower res textures and lovely uncompressed high res memory filling textures.

If you want a 970 or a 3gb 1060 or 4gb 480X and thats what you can afford - go for it you'll have a great time

Giz
 
If you want a 970 or a 3gb 1060 or 4gb 480X and thats what you can afford - go for it you'll have a great time

Giz

People need to understand the big bad vram lovers are not trying to make you feel bad for getting a half vram card. It's just simply a good idea to try and find the extra £10-£20 to get the higher vram sku when the prices are so close. Do what you gotta do to make the difference if you can, maybe sacrifice a few rounds at the pub or something.

I would find it hard to believe gregster and the like would strongly disagree with that as it's only for the benefit of longer life in the card. Vram requirements creep up slowly but surely. Not only that but if you come to sell it will probably hold higher value anyway than the lower vram cards so it's a no brainer.
 
As always having a Vram understanding that more>less doesn't make those I was specifically talking about any lesser thick than they are though does it?:p

It was an easy choice to make (as a gamer who just wants to game at the end of the day) between GW's shoving it's fist clean up AMD's ability and their own incompetence to get profiles out for mgpu-and that's the titles I was playing, so, better the devil you know for me.

Nv don't really make future proof gpu's, between the specs and dropping support at their choosing and knew that 3.5Gb turbo/.5Gb trotter mode would be ok(ish) until Nv decided you'd need more-leaving me with the option to bend over and pay through the nose for the 970's full fat 8Gb replacement.

After taking the time to sit back and look at the newest cards today from the new generations I've come to think that the 1070 is the one card in Nvidia's current line up that's worth the asking price. 8gb's of ram and Titan XM performance for under 400 pounds isn't bad. In fact it's a pretty good option.
 
You have no idea what you are talking about and try to disguise it by calling people thick! You have been caught out with these debates time and again and still you try and make out you know what is what lol.

Never said anything about £200 gpu's/970's not being able to play titles in a budget so sticking to the actual topic that the thread was about=shows like for like on same series gpu's frametimes and backs up what Iv'e said all along-but hey you know better as per.

Years of people saying 'it doesn't matter' when clearly the 2Gb ran out on Nv when the 3Gb kept going, the 3Gb ran out on Nv when the 4Gb kept going.

Only time you agreed was in the case of Fiji not having enough as the 6Gb will keep going but that wasn't an issue...

I ran 290X for well over a year, a 970 for well over a year-hundreds of hours gametime, I know you had a 290 for about a month, but how long did you run a 970 greg, how much hours gametime you put into the 970, how many times did you play it on Doom, ROTTR...?

Or did you use your 12Gb gpu for those titles?

From the days of Skyrim Tommy has been trying to state his VRAM argument and he makes himself look silly but back then he didn't accuse people of being thick, so I was happy to let it slide but not this time.

Actually, it's been running longer than Skyrim but you weren't running that caliber of gpu in those days likely (in the greatest respect)due to yourself saying you went without and spending all your cash on your family growing up, so you wouldn't know as you used to ask advice as you said you didn't have a clue.

it kinda winds me up when people throw insults at others

You should look closer to home if you want to see thick lmao :D

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How'd that go then?

Could have thrown in a ton of past vram debate quotes and make some's pov look really, really, really weak, but refrained, yet only one of us went personal.
 
After taking the time to sit back and look at the newest cards today from the new generations I've come to think that the 1070 is the one card in Nvidia's current line up that's worth the asking price. 8gb's of ram and Titan XM performance for under 400 pounds isn't bad. In fact it's a pretty good option.

Yep, this is pretty much how I was looking at things.

I wouldn't call it a bargain by any means, but it was the only card I could really justify to myself.
 
Unoptimized or not thats how much Vram they need.

well you may know or not that cod since mw2 has had the same vram bug in it.so whats that ten years ? same bug every year.black ops 3 has it.

so thats unoptimized.

new deus ex was same was mainly the drivers. so i not going to argue about buggy games causing the very issues people are using them to highlight vram issues.:D
 
well you may know or not that cod since mw2 has had the same vram bug in it.so whats that ten years ? same bug every year.black ops 3 has it.

so thats unoptimized.

new deus ex was same was mainly the drivers. so i not going to argue about buggy games causing the very issues people are using them to highlight vram issues.:D

A non issue for people that bought the cards with higher Vram. This actually supports the argument as these games will keep coming.
 
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As we know there are these titles out/coming it's actually another valid reason to cover your back and purchase a higher spec vram gpu in a pp-regardless the vendor.

You have to be Squeaky clean if you are going to play the moral high ground around here :D:D:D

Agreed.:)

After taking the time to sit back and look at the newest cards today from the new generations I've come to think that the 1070 is the one card in Nvidia's current line up that's worth the asking price. 8gb's of ram and Titan XM performance for under 400 pounds isn't bad. In fact it's a pretty good option.

In it's own right, it's simply an astounding product that cost me>£400 but £70 less than what everywhere else was charging at the time, at the<£400 pp, it's vfm increases dramatically, but, it's a 70 replacement at an 80's pp-wasn't complaining as I obviously bought one-was just saying.:)
 
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well you may know or not that cod since mw2 has had the same vram bug in it.so whats that ten years ? same bug every year.black ops 3 has it.

so thats unoptimized.

new deus ex was same was mainly the drivers. so i not going to argue about buggy games causing the very issues people are using them to highlight vram issues.:D

Im not debating whether or not somthing is optimized or not, the point is games like this do exist and if a user wants to cover there self then get a card with more Vram, no one is forcing anyone to buy a card with more Vram, don't confuse informing people with forcing people.
 
well i was just saying the games shown were unoptimized.with optimizing the vram limits wouldnt of been pushed.

cod doesnt use anywhere as much vram once they fix the issue after launch.they do it every year since mw2 .

true if you got more vram it helps if a game is unoptimized but what if a game is so unoptimized with a issue you cant buy a card with enough vram to play it ?

is that down to you not having enough vram or a poorly made game ? ;)

when you playing cod and its using 12gb vram at 1080 you know its BS got nothing to do with having enough vram.
 
well i was just saying the games shown were unoptimized.with optimizing the vram limits wouldnt of been pushed.

cod doesnt use anywhere as much vram once they fix the issue after launch.they do it every year since mw2 .

true if you got more vram it helps if a game is unoptimized but what if a game is so unoptimized with a issue you cant buy a card with enough vram to play it ?

is that down to you not having enough vram or a poorly made game ? ;)

when you playing cod and its using 12gb vram at 1080 you know its BS got nothing to do with having enough vram.

There are way too many IF in relation to an article with factual results whether you like the results or not or for whatever the reason for the results does not change the facts that if some one wants to play these games at a given setting and resolution in there current state then this is whats adviced whether we like it or not.
 
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As we know there are these titles out/coming it's actually another valid reason to cover your back and purchase a higher spec vram gpu in a pp-regardless the vendor.



Agreed.:)



In it's own right, it's simply an astounding product that cost me>£400 but £70 less than what everywhere else was charging at the time, at the<£400 pp, it's vfm increases dramatically, but, it's a 70 replacement at an 80's pp-wasn't complaining as I obviously bought one-was just saying.:)

I agree that Anyone buying new now should look at the amount of vram as it might be a big deal to anyone wanting as much aye candy as possible, The gpu may still run out of grunt like it always has done and if thats the case then turn some things down.

Im not debating whether or not something is optimized or not, the point is games like this do exist and if a user wants to cover there self then get a card with more Vram, no one is forcing anyone to buy a card with more Vram, don't confuse informing people with forcing people.

I agree, that has always been the case though if 2 competing cards are on par price/performance wise, but on release gfx cards are so different either in performance or price.

I would want 6gb at least if i were to upgrade and thats the advice i would give, none of this 3gb 1060 malarky.
 
Don't under estimate the 970.

The 970 doesn't have a problem with grunt, @ 1500/2000 its at least as fast as the 1060 6GB, in fact it scores about the same in 3DMark at that speed as the 1060 does at 2Ghz.


Really.

I think you may be looking at things through some coloured spectacles.

Results from this forums very own 3D mark Timespy bench thread ( I have had t use Timespy as there is alack of 1060 scores in the other threads.)


BEST 1060 vs 970 scores

GPU 1060 @2152/2400, GFX Score 4732

GPU 970 @1500/1933, GFX Score 3983
1060 is 19% faster


WORST 1060 vs 970 scores

GPU 1060 @2038/2249, GFX Score 4278

GPU 970 @1354/1753, GFX Score 3530

1060 is 21% faster

So lets call the average 20%, even taking the best 970 and the worst 1060 it is still 7.5% faster.
 
You're side stepping the point by making it all about GTA-V, there are a lot of other games in this world and some of them crap out on the V-Ram long before they run out of grunt.

If they are on a strict budget of £200 I would advise they save up a tenner and get an 8GB 470 or used 1060 6GB, RX 480 8GB or 390/X or 980TI if they can find one for around £200.

I would not consider a Pascal Titan as a decent 1080p card as there are games you have to turn the settings down using one at the resolution.

Gregster is right, you have to cut your cloth to measure. This means turning down settings to get the game to run.
 
People who are looking at £250 cards usually don't have 144Hz screens, if they do then yes 2x 1080 is the best option for them ^^^

And i seem to remember you saying your Titan was better because it had more V-Ram resulting in smoother game play, one of the many points i'm making.

Really.

I think you may be looking at things through some coloured spectacles.

Results from this forums very own 3D mark Timespy bench thread ( I have had t use Timespy as there is alack of 1060 scores in the other threads.)


BEST 1060 vs 970 scores

GPU 1060 @2152/2400, GFX Score 4732

GPU 970 @1500/1933, GFX Score 3983
1060 is 19% faster


WORST 1060 vs 970 scores

GPU 1060 @2038/2249, GFX Score 4278

GPU 970 @1354/1753, GFX Score 3530

1060 is 21% faster

So lets call the average 20%, even taking the best 970 and the worst 1060 it is still 7.5% faster.

I said 3DMark @ 2Ghz, Not Time Spy at 2.15Ghz.

The 1060 does better in DX12 than it does in DX11, the 970 doesn't because its missing features or Nvidia are deliberately not using them on the 970.
 
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Never said anything about £200 gpu's/970's not being able to play titles in a budget so sticking to the actual topic that the thread was about=shows like for like on same series gpu's frametimes and backs up what Iv'e said all along-but hey you know better as per.

Years of people saying 'it doesn't matter' when clearly the 2Gb ran out on Nv when the 3Gb kept going, the 3Gb ran out on Nv when the 4Gb kept going.

Only time you agreed was in the case of Fiji not having enough as the 6Gb will keep going but that wasn't an issue...

I ran 290X for well over a year, a 970 for well over a year-hundreds of hours gametime, I know you had a 290 for about a month, but how long did you run a 970 greg, how much hours gametime you put into the 970, how many times did you play it on Doom, ROTTR...?

Or did you use your 12Gb gpu for those titles?

Indeed for years I ran with lower priced gear and this is why I can see budget builds being just fine. I remember running a pair of 680s when I decided to treat myself and running 3 x 1080P monitors and oddly enough, I never ran out of VRAM and that is with a measly 2GB per GPU but you insisted that it was a problem and you are doing the same now but it wasn't and it isn't and sure, for those who have the money, there is 8GB options, which makes sense.

People need to consider grunt as well as VRAM and this gets missed every time. What is the point of putting 8GB on a 1050 for instance? VRAM scales with the GPU and it makes it cheaper for the buyer, ergo 1070/80 are powerful cards, so having more VRAM to have the higher textures and AA makes sense, a 1060 with 3GB might well be right at the bottom of the choices but at £185, it is a consideration and the VRAM won't be an issue, so long as the buyer understands that it is a 1080P card and not a 4K card.

I do wish people would look at the big picture before typing.
 
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