North Seattle mass shooting, at least 4 dead

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We don't own them to stop a modern army per se. We own them for hunting and self/home defense. BTW, they'll work great against some whack job with a rifle in a mall.

Putting hunting to one side you have unfortunately highlighted the issue.

There is something desperately wrong with any modern society where anyone feels the need to have a firearm in their home as a means of self defence. It does nothing more than highlight the issues America has with guns.

I am so grateful that I live in a country where I don't feel the need to own a firearm for home defence.

(For context: I have no problem with gun ownership)
 
Putting hunting to one side you have unfortunately highlighted the issue.

There is something desperately wrong with any modern society where anyone feels the need to have a firearm in their home as a means of self defence. It does nothing more than highlight the issues America has with guns.

I am so grateful that I live in a country where I don't feel the need to own a firearm for home defence.

(For context: I have no problem with gun ownership)

What a lot of European/UK people fail to appreciate is that the USA is Vast!

There are plenty of places in the US where the nearest police station is well over an hours drive away. You really do have to be in a position to look after yourself if it comes to it.

Added to that, there are critters to worry about. Go for a walk in the woods in the US and there is a very real chance that you might come across an animal that will try to kill you and eat you.

50cal Magnum handguns are not intended for people!
 
You're close. It has nothing to do with an election. No elected official and any level can make that happen.

It has everything to do with it being a right. And while you can place reasonable restrictions on any right.... you can't just fundamentally deny the right, which is what your suggestion would in fact do.


But it doesnt deny the right.

It restricts it to exactly what it was when it was writen.

Muskets.

They already stop you buying assult weapons why would it be a breech to simply extend that?
 
Because you can place reasonable restrictions on any right. The first amendment doesn't give you the right to incite a riot. I think we can all agree that there's no real justification for having some of the items you've listed.



We don't own them to stop a modern army per se. We own them for hunting and self/home defense. BTW, they'll work great against some whack job with a rifle in a mall.


Well given the justification for the right is the ability to defend the people from the government, heavy weaponary and anti aircraft missiles are totally justifiable. ...cause you'd need them to defend afainst tbe government
 
High velocity, high magazine capacity, high firing rate.

Everything the military needs, hence the term "military grade". I thought it would've been obvious, apparently not though.

I've yet to see a military contract that states "High velocity, high magazine capacity, high firing rate", so no, it's not obvious.
 
Putting hunting to one side you have unfortunately highlighted the issue.

There is something desperately wrong with any modern society where anyone feels the need to have a firearm in their home as a means of self defence. It does nothing more than highlight the issues America has with guns.

I am so grateful that I live in a country where I don't feel the need to own a firearm for home defence.

(For context: I have no problem with gun ownership)

Ok, that's fair... to a point.

Now, do you have a spare tire on your car? A fire extinguisher in your house?

You get the point.

The last thing I want to go through my mind is "I wish I had a gun".

And should you ever encounter a life threatening situation, that will be the last thing that goes through your mind.

(you could get off your high horse a bit though.)
 
Well given the justification for the right is the ability to defend the people from the government, heavy weaponary and anti aircraft missiles are totally justifiable. ...cause you'd need them to defend afainst tbe government

Again, you're wrong. SCOTUS has affirmed that it's a personal right, and is not limited to 'defending the people from the government'.

That's a 1950's argument, and has been thoroughly disproved.
 
Ok, that's fair... to a point.

Now, do you have a spare tire on your car? A fire extinguisher in your house?

You get the point.

The last thing I want to go through my mind is "I wish I had a gun".

And should you ever encounter a life threatening situation, that will be the last thing that goes through your mind.

(you could get off your high horse a bit though.)

To be fair my thought would be "I wish they didn't have a gun" as they killed me.

I imagine if I'd grown up in the US I'd have a different opinion.
 
To be fair my thought would be "I wish they didn't have a gun" as they killed me.

I imagine if I'd grown up in the US I'd have a different opinion.

So you can't be killed with a tire iron, baseball bat, screw driver or thrown down a flight of stairs .... etc... ??

Oldest saying in the world: "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight".
 
Because you can place reasonable restrictions on any right. The first amendment doesn't give you the right to incite a riot. I think we can all agree that there's no real justification for having some of the items you've listed.

And reasonable is very much in the eyes of the beholder.

Your idea of reasonable restriction on the second amendment will be different to one of someone campaigning or greater restrictions.
 
Again, you're wrong. SCOTUS has affirmed that it's a personal right, and is not limited to 'defending the people from the government'.

That's a 1950's argument, and has been thoroughly disproved.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Seems strange everyone wants the right to bear arms but no responsibility of being being a part of a well regulated militia
 
What a lot of European/UK people fail to appreciate is that the USA is Vast!

There are plenty of places in the US where the nearest police station is well over an hours drive away. You really do have to be in a position to look after yourself if it comes to it.

Added to that, there are critters to worry about. Go for a walk in the woods in the US and there is a very real chance that you might come across an animal that will try to kill you and eat you.

50cal Magnum handguns are not intended for people!

America pacified the natives 100 years ago, there really is little need for "defensive" weapons any more in the wilds of Montana (for example).

Weapons to defend against "critters" can be useful, although I believe it's proven that pepper spray is more effective against bears than a pistol firearm (which usually takes several shots to be remotely effective)*

If all these reasons were really that true Canada would have even more lax laws than the US regarding firearms(larger with significantly less people and far more wilderness)**. It doesn't, in fact they are stricter and gun ownership (especially handguns) is significantly lower, with a third of the gun ownership per capita (even though hunting is still very popular here, due to the amount of wildlife still around).

Also worth noting that Canada has far more dangerous mammals left than the US - 25,000 Grizzlies in Canada compared to around 1,500 in the Contiguous United States(excluding Alaska) for example.

You can get handgun licences for protection from wildlife in many provinces, but they really aren't common (usually for people working full time in the back country). Most people just carry pepper/bear spray, which itself is usually registered.

*http://www.fieldandstream.com/artic...pper-spray-instead-guns-stop-charging-grizzly
 
So you can't be killed with a tire iron, baseball bat, screw driver or thrown down a flight of stairs .... etc... ??

Oldest saying in the world: "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight".

O I'm sure they can but it would be a lot harder than pulling a trigger. Since all these ways of killing another already exist why do we need to add another?

I bet that used to confuse the **** out of people till somone invented guns.

:D
 
Seems strange everyone wants the right to bear arms but no responsibility of being being a part of a well regulated militia

The people need to be armed first in order to make a militia at a later date, if necessary. It is very clear in stating the right of the people, not the right of a militia.
 
The people need to be armed first in order to make a militia at a later date, if necessary. It is very clear in stating the right of the people, not the right of a militia.

Because years of training can be done in a few days, when it's decided the government is overbearing?
 
I wish aliens would visit en masse and say to the whole planet -

"Ok you are ALL a bunch of sick hairless killer apes, Either grow up or we're fencing off the entire earth and laying down dense death star like minefields all around your planet to stop you travelling and infecting anywhere else with your nut jobbery."

:p
 
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