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Because it's a court order they can ring the Police so it would make good viewing.
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Because it's a court order they can ring the Police so it would make good viewing.
What will the Police do? Police only attend to uphold the peace. Court order for non payment of debt = civil matter.
I have no idea what dodgy programme you are talking about but that dodgyness is so far removed from this programme.
That's not true, there are a few cases where they don't end up with a payment or get entry to the property.
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I saw this, I think it was one of those ITV programmes like Car Wars or something.
The Police were flagging the cars down into a layby and the bailiffs were getting stuck in with Police help.
Update
We’ve had a number of emails in relation to the BBC show, PARKING MAD in which the police go onto the streets shoulder to shoulder with bailiffs to rob the public and steal their vehicles. The question on everybody’s lips – except the police who remain blissfully ignorant – is, is it lawful?
If you haven’t seen the show, then let us describe the horrors within:-
Scumbag bailiffs – rechristened with the euphemism of Civil Enforcement Agents (CEOs) – take to the streets with Automatic Number Plate Recognition devices to snatch vehicles that have distress warrants registered to them for unpaid parking fines.
When they scope a suitable victim, the police step into the road and wave the vehicle down. They then tell the driver that the bailiff wants to talk to them. Usually followed with a threat of arrest if they obstruct the bailiff as he rapes them.
The bailiff is then unmuzzled and sets upon the driver with threats and intimidation. Either cough up a months wage or lose their vehicle.
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It was "Parking Mad" on BBC a couple of year ago and was later repeated.
I must have missed that episode. Unless you mean when they still have a stand off with the debtor on the door step but it's later confirmed in the programme that no money was paid then fair doos.
I on about where they get no answer or ignored all together on multiple visits. I would never enter into a conversation with a bailiff at the door.
Was shown on the BBC actually.
Completely destroys the argument that you can safely assume things shown on TV are legal.
Well obviously they wouldn't show that for the same reason they wouldn't show paint drying. I am not sure what you are trying to suggest.
You just claimed they were extorting people illegally...
I never made such an argument. You keep making all these insinuations and accusations about the bailiffs actions on no apparent basis.
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Ok fine, I've contradicted myself there.
I've also noticed at the end of these programs they now have added a disclaimer saying that enforcement protocol was correct at time of recording.
It appears some of the stuff they are showing is indeed wrong now. My question to you now is in terms of what is just, was what they did somehow inherently okay a few years ago vs now?
I've also noticed at the end of these programs they now have added a disclaimer saying that enforcement protocol was correct at time of recording.
It appears some of the stuff they are showing is indeed wrong now. My question to you now is in terms of what is just, was what they did somehow inherently okay a few years ago vs now?
The only thing that has changed as far as I am aware is that notice is now required to be given to the person that the CCJ is against if a high court writ is being applied for.
Technicalities change all the time, it doesn't really have anything to do with what is just.
Technicalities change all the time, it doesn't really have anything to do with what is just.
Do these shows not just show people how to avoid debt? So many people seem to get away with it, and I don't mean people who look like they can't pay it. Some guy in the latest one has a 44grand debt but he's financing a brand new BMW, that can't be cheap to do surely.
You must be taking the ****, wearing a walkie talkie is impersonating a police officer?Where does it say "police" on their outfit? Oh wait it doesn't, it says "high court enforcement officer".
No idea what you are on about, after watching so many seasons It was very obvious that some bailiffs are attempting to wear similar work clothing to the police, banging on someone's front door shouting I have a court paperwork may give it away, no ?
Not sure how you missed this point, even the bailiffs themselves said since we started dressing like this we got co-operation and less anger and assaults, you only get that fear if your dealing with the police.
This website proves my point nicely.
http://www.dealingwithbailiffs.co.uk/bailiffimpersonatingpolice.html
Yeah saw that in the latest episode, that kid is smart and looks like he has first hand experience or quickly got the knowledge on how to deal with the bailiffs the 2nd time round, just looked like he gave some pocket money to get them off his back and the following time he just did not open the door and won. The house was up for sale also, so clearly their family are doing something.
I think they said the bmw was under finance, so un-clamped it.
The show does show bailiffs winning and losing at times, so yeah guess in some way's it shows you how to respond or try to stop bailiffs.
I don't agree with the manner the baliffs operate and do their job, it looks very unethical, wrong and criminal however its no where as bad as people not paying rent for months on end and just getting away with it without losing any money too.
I've seen quite a few of the stories where they confirm at the end that the HCEOs weren't able to collect all/remainder of the money and the case was closed. I believe the onus is then back on the client to go to court and pursue bankruptcy of the debtor .
What really winds me up is the dodgy business practice of transferring ownership of goods to another business name, even when they're still under ownership of the same owner! There was a takeaway business recently that owed thousands, they made a small payment to get the bailiffs away, and then transferred ownership of all assets to their new business, and they were no longer liable for the debt. Frankly that's disgusting and is abhorrently wrong. The law needs to be changed so that if the owner transfers to another business, then his debts follow him.
Personally if i was a client, and the HCEO's were chasing a debt for me, i'd insist on full payment on the day. None of this 50% payment and set up a monthly arrangement.
What really winds me up is the dodgy business practice of transferring ownership of goods to another business name, even when they're still under ownership of the same owner! There was a takeaway business recently that owed thousands, they made a small payment to get the bailiffs away, and then transferred ownership of all assets to their new business, and they were no longer liable for the debt. Frankly that's disgusting and is abhorrently wrong. The law needs to be changed so that if the owner transfers to another business, then his debts follow him.
Personally if i was a client, and the HCEO's were chasing a debt for me, i'd insist on full payment on the day. None of this 50% payment and set up a monthly arrangement.
so if the money was owed to you how would you feel? would you be happy if the bailiffs just knocked on the door and asked nicely once for the money then left?
there are times when I think the debt may now be fair but that was the courts failing (plus you frequently only see one side of the story) - the bailiffs job is to collect money the court has deemed it owed.
You say they are illegally impersonating a police officer. That crime requires that someone actually claim they are a police officer or wear uniform that appears to be that of a police officers, not merely dress up in an official looking uniform good grief... There is no case law to suggest that such uniform construes impersonating a police officer.
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There have been a few times where I do feel sorry for the debtor though,
there was one the other week where some old lady got cold called about a car crash and when the paperwork came through and she wouldn't exaggerate how badly she was injured they took her to court for costs. I said to Mrs Aces that they could have gone to court and argued their case but she pointed out they were quite old and not really "with it"
there was one the other week where some old lady got cold called about a car crash and when the paperwork came through and she wouldn't exaggerate how badly she was injured they took her to court for costs. I said to Mrs Aces that they could have gone to court and argued their case but she pointed out they were quite old and not really "with it"
Didn't they write the debt off once they found out all the facts for that one?
I don't think they did. If I remember they allowed him to take the car to collect his daughter who brought cash