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No, and quite frankly the other two didn't need closing either.
UK Government Admits to Spying on Citizens, Finally Makes It Legal
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No, and quite frankly the other two didn't need closing either.
No you don't. I'm sure we'll be good. Way too many closures these days.
Calling you out isn't a "troll comment".
No it won't think it through if you remove guns you remove the implement that allows gun violence. Thus reducing/ending gun violence.
If you take fingerprints/DNA you don't remove the ability to commit the crime.
I don't mind calling out, it is the "laughing GIFS" I am talking about.
To answer your statement, if you take fingerprints and DNA you reduce the means of getting away with "murder" to nearly zero... How many people would commit a crime knowing full well that there is a 90%+ chance they will be inevitably caught?
Collecting data on citizens would allow to pin point vile individuals who are into things like child porn.
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If you have an issue feel free to raise in in the Forum Content Discussion forum. This is not the place.
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Strong opening followed by more tempered additional comments. We're dealing with a pro here, folks. Buckle up!
Why would you close this thread? I don't currently see how it breaks any forum rules.
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In that case I would suggest you read the below:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18742453
A thread closure is not purely based on the opening post. If the thread is primarily filled with rules breaks then it will be closed.
Ideally all members would self-moderate of course.
If you have any specific questions feel free to post in the Forum Content Discussion forum: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=164
The guy has 106 posts and posts something ridiculous like this?
Of course the will be flames and fire, we just here to add to it.
Luckily gloves aren't invented yet.
That is exactly the reason why I cited that the collection of DNA must also be made. While possible, it is extremely difficult to commit a crime that is completely DNA and Fingerprint clean.
Chances are, that even the best will slip up on one of those things.
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The guy has 106 posts and posts something ridiculous like this?
Of course the will be flames and fire, we just here to add to it.
I also disagree with the OP.
However, that has no bearing on the fact that my job is to either get members to post within the rules or to close the thread/take further action.
I'm just asking that people try to refute the points in the OP's post whilst being respectful
So we are meant to ha e DNA of everyone taken to solve the 0.3% of crimes solved using it better...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256404/How-just-0-3-cent-solved-crimes-DNA-database.html
I shall refrain again from the laughter gif
This is largely due to the fact that the database is extremely limited. If everyone is forced to participate the rates would grow substantially.
It would also serve as a huge deterrent to any individuals who are thinking of committing any wrongdoing.
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I assume that DNA testing isn't done unless it's necessary due to the time and cost involved, not because it's no good.
I mean you could swab a petrol station counter for DNA if you wanted to, or you could just look at the CCTV of the robbery and realise that it's someone already known to the police. A better stat would be how many crimes where DNA testing features, are solved due to that testing, and the impact it has on securing convictions.
I mean you could swab a petrol station counter for DNA if you wanted to, or you could just look at the CCTV of the robbery and realise that it's someone already known to the police. A better stat would be how many crimes where DNA testing features, are solved due to that testing, and the impact it has on securing convictions.
Yea... Its the word forced i think most people will have issue with... Then the fact we cant trust the Government. They've lied about spying and now we are to trust them with the intricacies of your genetic material?
Nah that's fair enough if you truly believe what you're saying then we can have a reasonable conversation. I immediately thought troll when I read the OP and subsequent replies but I'm willing to admit I may have been wrong in my assumption there.
Right while I agree in principle if collecting all this data/fingerprints and DNA lead to a huge reduction in crime then I'd be all for it.
Unfortunately data is all but impossible to sufficiently sift through. The amount of meta data we produce on a daily basis is humongous the chances of producing much actionable data from that is very small. This data is easily bypassed by using VPNs/TOR and various other software/techniques defeating the point in collecting it in the first place. I would be happy to bet they have not caught a single person who we should worry about. The type of people who get caught by such data mining are going to be token victories.
The other bad side is since we produce so much data there's no way a person can check it all so the chances are that keywords are flagged for review by an actual person. If for example I use "bomb" in an innocuous sentence I could well be flagged for review. If I have done nothing wrong should I be subjected to such a review? Does my use of a word permit someone to suddenly have the legal ability go through my midget porn fetishes to make sure there's no illegal content in there?
For fingerprints and DNA I don't particularly have anything against them being collected but even with the relatively limited collection we have there have been a few notable incidences where "solid convictions" have been proven wrong after mistakes have been made with such evidence.
Too much information can be just as bad as too little.
Yea... Its the word forced i think most people will have issue with... Then the fact we cant trust the Government. They've lied about spying and now we are to trust them with the intricacies of your genetic material?
I agree with you in regards the idea of Forced and Trust. However, its all objective in the eyes of the society...
Again back to the US Gun Policy, Americans in majority believe that not having weapons is an invasion of their rights and should not be allowed. Meanwhile, in Europe people look over the pond and call them "idiots and backwards" Especially after another mass shooting.
Is it that hard to believe that at some point society would prefer to give up their "rights" like we did in Europe with guns in exchange for safety of general population?
What if we had mandatory DNA + Fingerprint database that resulted in mass reduction of crime. Would we "hypothetically" look over the Pond (where it isnt implemented) as a backwards nation? Especially after yet another serial killer going on a rampage.
Thing is, majority of crimes and even terrorists plots are not done by Harvard graduates knowing ins and outs. Its actually extremely easy to spot them since they have little knowledge on how to not be found. Taliban fighters still communicate over cell-phone's that take so little to be intercepted.
Murders, lets take the USA for example since its not as prevalent in Europe. Are not majorly commited by hitmen with barcode on their shaved heads. They are commited by people who are not exactly bright and therefore even if they tried, getting away with it while their DNA + Fingerprints are in database would not happen. Most importantly the criminal will know that and it will deter it from happening.
A Teen has a hissy fit in USA, can easily find a gun and no one would blink an eye because its so easy. He tries to do same in UK, he'd be lucky enough to find a gun and even he did, he'd have his butt whooped before he even picked it up.