Friend getting done for fly tipping - be warned!

It's not that strange that this random guy turned up to be honest, they spend their day driving around looking for piles of rubbish in peoples gardens hoping there's something valuable in there.

This does leave it very much at her feet though and nothing to do with the builder.
 
Greebo said:
No don't be silly but the law only requires you to do one of two things. Either ring the freephone number to check to see if the builder/oddjobman has a waste licence or ask the builder to see his licence. Just cause you made "reasonable" arrangements with a builder to get rid of it and paid him to do so, doesn't make it legal or absolve you.
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So the builder shows you his "licence".

Turns out it was dodgy and he hasn't actually got one.

Same goes for your nanny/housekeeper example, do you have the connections/technology at home to check people's passports and identify if they're fake?
 
The council up here are complete tools about it. Great waste disposal facilities - really can't knock that however the rules are ridiculous!

Not allowed to hand carry anything in, cannot be any kind of van or truck. Which...considering this is a rural area with loads of farmers who own pickups is pretty retarded. You must reverse in to the bays but...the bays are angled the wrong way to reverse in to and it's a one way system.

They've now introduced charges to dispose of household waste too. Something like £40 for a small car, 60 for a large, 80 for an estate. So for example I couldn't drop the seats in my old bmw so it has a smaller capacity than my gfs hatch. Yet hers cost less than mine to take there. You now also need a permit if you wish to take anything that looks like building waste, including flooring and carpet.

Thought councils were meant to discourage fly tipping, not promote it!
 
Greebo said:
No don't be silly but the law only requires you to do one of two things. Either ring the freephone number to check to see if the builder/oddjobman has a waste licence or ask the builder to see his licence. Just cause you made "reasonable" arrangements with a builder to get rid of it and paid him to do so, doesn't make it legal or absolve you.
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But why not? Why should you be responsible for something somebody else does with what is essentially their property once you have given it to them?

Greebo said:
Once you have done either of those two steps you aren't held responsible if the builder then goes and dumps the stuff somewhere.
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And what happens if you make those checks and everything is fine, and they dump it anyway?

Haggisman said:
So the builder shows you his "licence". Turns out it was dodgy and he hasn't actually got one.
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Exactly. The possibilities are endless.
 
I look forward to using HCC's tip this weekend. I'll have to pay per sack of tiles, but council's can't deal with everything with reduced funding.

Anyone who fly tips or enables it should be prosecuted.
 
Haggisman said:
So the builder shows you his "licence".

Turns out it was dodgy and he hasn't actually got one.

Same goes for your nanny/housekeeper example, do you have the connections/technology at home to check people's passports and identify if they're fake?
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I have a 'telephone' which I could use for this, the number for checking licences for waste took about 5 seconds to find and is in this thread.

I would certainly research a nanny more than just a phonecall though!
 
Scam said:
But why not? Why should you be responsible for something somebody else does with what is essentially their property once you have given it to them?

And what happens if you make those checks and everything is fine, and they dump it anyway?

Exactly. The possibilities are endless.
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1. Thats the law. If you disagree with it, lobby your MP, vote for a different party, take to the streets and protest etc

2. Not your problem anymore. If you have done the checks then you are in the clear.

3. Again if licence turns out to be fake, not your problem. You did your checks and did everything within your reasonable power to ensure the legal disposal of your waste.

Clearly though you are all arguing over what ifs when the whole point is the Op's friend clearly didn't do her legal duty and check whether the builder had a licence? Or this thread wouldnt exist.
 
Greebo said:
Clearly though you are all arguing over what ifs when the whole point is the Op's friend clearly didn't do her legal duty and check whether the builder had a licence? Or this thread wouldnt exist.
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He is the OP.

This has nothing to do with the builder she let a random go at it.
 
A bit off topic, but we hired a skip a few months ago.

Some moron chucked a load of crap in there including packaging for growing lamps and used baggies :rolleyes:

They left stuff with their address in there, but apparently there is nothing we can do about it, and that crap is now our responsibly to get rid off.

Thought about chucking the crap all over their lawn, but I thought then there probably going to put through our windows and its just not worth the hassle lol.

So next time I wont bother spending over £100 on a skip and I'll just chuck it on some council land somewhere. I bet it will suddenly be a problem then though.
 
we have a "recycling" centre near us, until a few years ago they did the ultimate recycling by taking choice items at allowing people to buy them.....

They are now not permitted to do that so the recycling centre is strictly NOT permitted to recycle!

Really frustrates me they cannot sell anything (or even give it away)....

I bet a fortune of spare parts and reusable items just gets thrown every month....
 
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Not being funny but I don't have my name and address on my kitchen units??? Your friend should take more care in future, especially re: throwing away documents or anything else with their name and address on - should be shredding these things and putting in the recycling not chucking in a pile, in your front garden.

She really ought to speak to a solicitor too and report the matter to the police re: the builder and his mate who actually collected the rubbish then proceeded to dump it. I think it is absolutely fine that they went after her like that, they're right to pursue fly tippers and the rubbish did belong to her - if she's not the person who's dumped it then she needs to make them aware of that.
 
edscdk said:
we have a "recycling" centre near us, until a few years ago they did the ultimate recycling by taking choice items at allowing people to buy them.....

They are now not permitted to do that so the recycling centre is strictly NOT permitted to recycle!

Really frustrates me they cannot sell anything (or even give it away)....

I bet a fortune of spare parts and reusable items just gets thrown every month....
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Yeah was same with my local one. It was brilliant, windows, doors, bikes, tv's all resold even some antiques.

They had a thiving second hand trade until it was stopped.

It used to amaze that epople were throwing away perfectly good tv's or mountain bikes because they couldnt be bothered to sell them. Same with my next door neighbours a few years. Top of the range premium brand double fridge, built in microwave, over, hob left out for the bin men all because they had bought new and there was nothing wrong with the old ones.

To my mind, selling the stuff rather than having it go to the tip is proper recycling.

Wonder why that all got stopped everywhere?
 
Greebo said:
1. Thats the law. If you disagree with it, lobby your MP, vote for a different party, take to the streets and protest etc
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How does this work when you sell an item then? If the guy picking up the rubbish had bought it off her for 50p, would it still be her problem?

Greebo said:
Clearly though you are all arguing over what ifs when the whole point is the Op's friend clearly didn't do her legal duty and check whether the builder had a licence? Or this thread wouldnt exist.
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Maybe she did? And then made the mistake assumption that the person who came to pick up the rubbish was the person she had arranged to come and pick it up at the specified time - I agree it was perhaps a bit naïve of her to assume it was the right person, but not really something that deserves a criminal record! TBH if I'd arranged for someone to come and collect a load of rubbish on a certain day, and on that day someone came to collect a load of rubbish, I'd probably make the same assumption...

dowie said:
Not being funny but I don't have my name and address on my kitchen units??? .
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You probably would on the boxes the new ones were delivered in though...
 
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dowie said:
Not being funny but I don't have my name and address on my kitchen units??? Your friend should take more care in future, especially re: throwing away documents or anything else with their name and address on - should be shredding these things and putting in the recycling not chucking in a pile, in your front garden.

She really ought to speak to a solicitor too and report the matter to the police re: the builder and his mate who actually collected the rubbish then proceeded to dump it. I think it is absolutely fine that they went after her like that, they're right to pursue fly tippers and the rubbish did belong to her - if she's not the person who's dumped it then she needs to make them aware of that.
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She should but from what is described they dont think she did dump it herself, purely though she didnt take care of where or how it was disposed. Its still the same £5000 fine and criminal record though. However some councils can decide not to prosecute in some cases and let people off with a £400 fixed penalty and no criminal record. Depends on the council rules though.
 
dowie said:
Not being funny but I don't have my name and address on my kitchen units??? Your friend should take more care in future, especially re: throwing away documents or anything else with their name and address on - should be shredding these things and putting in the recycling not chucking in a pile, in your front garden.
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It's my understanding that it was the boxes for the kitchen bits that were delivered to her house and had her name and address on. She wasn't chucking out bank statements in a pile in her front garden, as you imply.

Meh. :(
 
I didn't imply that she did chuck out bank statements. But like I said tis a good idea to shred stuff with your name an address on (I buy plenty of things online and will shred envelopes, invoices and order/delivery slips etc.. then recycle the cardboard) and perhaps she should start recycling too! If they just took away old kitchen units she'd not have had this problem to being with.
 
Musty Pie said:
Actually the best advice in this thread.

However - the issue is she has probably already told the interviewer a diff story.
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And the fact the first conversation you have with the council about it is recorded is so utterly devious :(

But really, if she paid a builder to renovate her kitchen with a contract that included removing rubbish.. she has technically sold the rubbish to him ;)
 
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