CBD reclassified as medicine in UK from November 1st 2016

[Energize]

It won't stop being sold, it'll simply be regulated.

This is actually a huge win for the pharmaceutical companies. I expect they will corner the market in CBD now.

Exactly, all the small businesses currently selling it will go out of business and the special interest groups who lobbied for regulation and who can afford huge licencing fees will dominate the market, ultimately significantly increasing prices for consumers.

Unless the oil was being used recreationally, people that actually need this will still be able to get it.

I'm sure making codeine available without prescriptions, would increase sales for certain shops, doesn't make it a good argument to make it available without prescriptions. The state has a duty of care to look after the supply and production of medicines.

JSA claims aren't higher because powerful pain meds aren't available without prescriptions. Another rubbish argument.

I'm sorry but experience proves otherwise, doctors are fallible and afraid of action being taken against them when prescribing certain drugs and this ultimately results in prescriptions not being issued when they should be.

The state does not have a duty of care to look after the supply of medicines in this way. Fyi codeine is available at full strength without a prescription at pharmacies.

JSA claims will result when businesses go bust because the sale is now regulated.

 

[Destination]

Exactly, all the small businesses currently selling it will go out of business and the special interest groups who lobbied for regulation and who can afford huge licencing fees will dominate the market, ultimately significantly increasing prices for consumers.

Sorry, are you saying there are tax paying small businesses whos only item they sold was this oil?
How many such businesses do you know of?
How vital do you believe them to be for the economy?

You sound like you were a reseller and you are now ****ed off that you'll be regulated...

 

[asim18]

Erm how can big pharma getting their mitts on cannabis derived medicine EVER be a good thing?



Big pharma just couldnt take the fact that patients were ditching their prescrption meds and moving to better, cheaper and healthier alternative treatments.

Anyway it all depends on what they charge for this groundbreaking new medicine. But then this charade wouldn't ever have happened if the primary motive wasnt to absolutely milk it for every penny it's worth.

 

[Meridian]

Am I missing something? The people advocating the use of CBD were doing so for its medicinal properties. Now it has been classified as a medicine, they are upset? The MRHA just agreed with you. Catch is: now the market will actually be regulated, not left to the cowboys. Why is that bad? Please note "Big Pharma" is not an actual argument.

 

[Nitefly]

Am I missing something? The people advocating the use of CBD were doing so for its medicinal properties. Now it has been classified as a medicine, they are upset? The MRHA just agreed with you.

lol that is amusing

I suppose the real conplaint is that 'regulation' potentially means overzealous reluctance to promote it compared with more traditional medicines (which are conveniently more profitable). Fetch me my tin foil hat, because I'm not really a fan of big pharma either.

 

[Nitefly]

Just to elaborate, I have inherited some of my old professors' (potentially biased) criticisms of big pharma - reluctant to share research for any common goals... frequently holding back research because it's not profitable and having to concede to academics they had 'new' technology figured out years ago when academic research finally catches up.

Martin Shkreli (and the criticism he faced) reminds me of sea world and the criticism they also (probably fairly) face. Meanwhile all the other zoos in the world hope no one will notice the same criticisms also apply to them.

Sorry for the slightly off topic waffle!

 

[FoxEye]

Please note "Big Pharma" is not an actual argument.

With that ultra-dismissive comment you make yourself sound like a corporate apologist.

Tell me, why should ANY of us trust "Big Pharma"? We have engineered a society/situation where Big Pharma's best interests are the exact opposite of the patient's best interests.

For Big.Pharma, best interest is maximum profit. That means 1) minimum R&D spend and 2) repeat sales for as long as possible - ie, patient dependency.

BP wants to make you dependent on a 30 year old drug for the rest of your life. That is their "best case" scenario. For any ailment, a cure is the "worst case" scenario.

Now you look at it from the patient's point of view... not the same picture, is it?

I'm not a cannabis or cannabis oil user. But the way our society is set up, with respect to corporate interests vs our interest - and not just Big.Pharma, the food industry is the same - you absolutely should not trust big corporations. Little ones can also be unscrupulous, but the big ones have the money and hence the real power. And our MPs are so bent, you can bet they will listen to any corporation with the kind of money Big.Pharma has.

"Big.Pharma" is a reasonable argument in my book.

 

[Dis86]

"I wanna use Cannabis products as a medicine".

"OK, there you go, it's a medicine".

"Erm...MOAR COMPLAININGS!"

 

[FoxEye]

"I wanna use Cannabis products as a medicine".

"OK, there you go, it's a medicine".

"Erm...MOAR COMPLAININGS!"

Try talking to some people who use it, and seeing things from their point of view.

It's not as one-sided as you might think. Not all cannabis users are hippy drop outs. You might be surprised who uses it.

 

[Dis86]

Try talking to some people who use it, and seeing things from their point of view.

It's not as one-sided as you might think. Not all cannabis users are hippy drop outs. You might be surprised who uses it.

And if they require it they can still use it as it's now formally recognised as a medicine like they've been asking for!

 

[muon]

JSA claims will result when businesses go bust because the sale is now regulated.

Codeine may have been a bad example. Although it will still be behind the counter requiring the pharmacist to make a judgement.

How about we make oxycodone available without prescription? I can guarantee pharmacies will have a boom in sales and they can create more jobs?

 

[Sankari]

The problem is that (as I suspect represents the majority of sales) the recreational and the placebo effect market will now not be able to get this via prescriptions.

I don't see this as a problem. I see it as a bonus.

 

[Sankari]

Exactly, all the small businesses currently selling it will go out of business and the special interest groups who lobbied for regulation and who can afford huge licencing fees will dominate the market, ultimately significantly increasing prices for consumers.

...and a properly regulated product, at long last.

Sounds fine to me.

 

[Sankari]

Am I missing something? The people advocating the use of CBD were doing so for its medicinal properties. Now it has been classified as a medicine, they are upset? The MRHA just agreed with you. Catch is: now the market will actually be regulated, not left to the cowboys. Why is that bad? Please note "Big Pharma" is not an actual argument.

They're upset because they'll be required to meet regulatory standards. The 'alternative medicine' industry hates regulatory standards almost as much as it hates evidence-based science and science-based medicine.

Alt-med is one of the most poorly regulated industries in the world, which is precisely why it's such a huge moneyspinner.

 

[Sankari]

Erm how can big pharma getting their mitts on cannabis derived medicine EVER be a good thing?

How can it be a bad thing? )People wanted CBM taken seriously as medicine. Well, now it's being taken seriously as medicine, and will be subject to the usual regulatory measures. This is what selling medicine involves.

Big pharma just couldnt take the fact that patients were ditching their prescrption meds and moving to better, cheaper

Cheaper? Have you seen the cost of CBD? It's ferociously expensive, like most things sold by the alt-med industry. Check out these prices in Australia!

That's a licence to print money, if ever I saw one. I can get a prescription for heavy duty codeine tablets and it'll cost me less than $10. Why would I want to spend more than ten times that amount on CBD?

and healthier

Evidence please.

 

[Sankari]

Try talking to some people who use it, and seeing things from their point of view.

It's not as one-sided as you might think. Not all cannabis users are hippy drop outs. You might be surprised who uses it.

If it's classed as medicine it'll probably end up being subsidised by the NHS, so they should get it even cheaper. Win-win!

 

[Gabbatek]

What the hell!! I've been taking cbd for years and while using it get almost no anxiety attacks or any impulsive behaviour.

What the hell!!!! So how am i going to get my medicine? I don't particularly want to smoke cannabis as i don't want the psychoactive effects.

 

[Gabbatek]

So if the company i buy it from get a licence i can still get it without perscription?

Just ordered £50 worth haa

 

[Gabbatek]

sign the petition

 

[Sankari]

sign the petition

Wow, the entire petition title is a lie:

Stop MHRA Removing CBD Products From Sale!

They're not being removed from sale.

Patients Will Suffer!

No, they'll be able to get it on prescription.