Thermaltake Water 3.0 Riing RGB 240 AiO not cooling CPU correctly

King Mustard

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I have an i7-6700K (running at stock) and Thermaltake Suppressor F51 case.

I used to have a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO.

I ran Prime95 for 10 minutes and the maximum temperatures for the four cores were 79/82/77/82 (room 22C).

I have just fitted a new Thermaltake Water 3.0 Riing RGB 240.

Doing the same test,*the maximum temperatures for the four cores were 71/71/68/69 (room 22C). It's idling around 20C.

According to eTeknix's review of it, shouldn't I be maxing out at around 23C at load?

The AiO came with its own pre-applied thermal paste, so that's not the issue.

Any ideas?

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There is not a chance that you will be anywhere near 23 degrees at load. Your temps at load when running prime are roughly where I would expect them to be (maybe a little high if running at stock). In normal use they won't be that high. You could try a remount of the block to see if it makes any difference.

Your airflow arrows are wrong for the radiator fans by the way. The way you have them in the picture has them exhausting out of the case which is exactly the way around you want them.
 
pastymuncher said:
There is not a chance that you will be anywhere near 23 degrees at load. Your temps at load when running prime are roughly where I would expect them to be. In normal use they won't be that high.

Your airflow arrows are wrong for the radiator fans by the way. The way you have them in the picture has them exhausting out of the case which is exactly the way around you want them.
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So you're saying 70C load (Prime95) is about right? I won't be happy paying £130 for a 10C reduction from my 212 EVO :/

I'll turn the fans around. I was just first-time unlucky when installing them.

EDIT: Sorry, £108 (includes delivery).
 
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The fans don't need turning around. It's just your arrows are pointing the wrong way. The fans are blowing out as you have them in that picture.

A 10 degree drop is about what you'd expect from an AIO.

You got mugged if you paid £130 for that.
 
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Minstadave said:
Do you understand a delta temp?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6984/thermaltake-water-30-closed-loop-cooler-roundup/3

Less than 10 degrees between the Thermaltake and your old cooler. You can buy the same cooler for under £60 without the lights:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk...-liquid-cooling-upgrade-bundle-bu-096-tl.html

It's a bog standard Asetek AIO unit.
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Why are the reviews applauding it? Confused.

And how do you know it's the same cooler? How do you know each component is the same quality? (the pump, the fans, the tubing)
 
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They're all smaller sites that rely on freebies from manufacturers perhaps? I'm not familiar with the sites you mention. Heard of eTeknik once or twice before, the second I've not come across and neoseeker seems to be a review aggregating site.

As a general rule everything from Thermaltake is just rebranded tat.

I'm not trying to troll you, I'm just not sugar coating the truth.
 
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Minstadave said:
They're all smaller sites that rely on freebies from manufacturers perhaps? I'm not familiar with the sites you mention. Heard of eTeknik once or twice before, the second I've not come across and neoseeker seems to be a review aggregating site.

As a general rule everything from Thermaltake is just rebranded tat.

I'm not trying to troll you, I'm just not sugar coating the truth.
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Would you say that OcUK-branded cooler you linked to would perform very similarly to the Thermaltake one I just bought for £108?

Would it perform better than my previous 212 EVO? If so, would it be worth the £55 asking cost?
 
It would be very similar. As far as I can see it's the same pump and probably the same radiator. The only difference would be the fans - I'm not sure how good the Riing fans are.

The OcUK unit will outperform the 212 Evo similar to your unit give or take a few degrees.
 
Why bother running Prime? Run the programs and games that you would run and test the temps. Prime works the CPU harder and not a good comparison to your everyday tasks
 
King Mustard said:
So you're saying 70C load (Prime95) is about right? I won't be happy paying £130 for a 10C reduction from my 212 EVO :/

I'll turn the fans around. I was just first-time unlucky when installing them.

EDIT: Sorry, £108 (includes delivery).
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The Eteknix review you based your purchase on gives the results as a delta temp. That's not the temp that the cpu was running at. The delta temp is the temperature over ambient so 23 degrees delta + 22 degrees ambient = 55 degrees. If you read their test setup and methodology section you will see that they are running a 3570k that has been delidded, quality tim placed under the IHS and stuck the IHS back on so that results in a extra 15-20 degree drop as well. I suggest you read reviews properly before basing a purchase on one.

It's not nice to accuse people of trolling when they are stating the facts. Asetek build most of these coolers and they all use similar components so very often the only difference is the branding. AIO's are not massively better than air coolers and some can be worse. A little research shows this.
 
King Mustard said:
Would you say that OcUK-branded cooler you linked to would perform very similarly to the Thermaltake one I just bought for £108?

Would it perform better than my previous 212 EVO? If so, would it be worth the £55 asking cost?
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Minstadave and pastymuncher are very correct in what they say, so I can only reiterate. You seem to have been suckered in by the commonly held belief that water cooling in any guise is some kind of almighty powerful cooling technology. It isn't... top end air coolers from Noctua and Cryorig will beat most AIOs, even without taking the price/performance ratio into consideration. The EK Predator is probably one of the few exceptions when it comes to the performance aspect, but it's VERY expensive so arguably isn't worth it unless you really are wanting top end performance. And the reason it's so expensive is that it uses the same components you'd find in a custom loop, but with none of the maintenance concerns a custom loop entails.

Consider this a lesson learned. Next time do more research and ask questions... plenty of knowledgeable folks on here that will be more than happy to help you out. :)
 
It's worth pointing out that under general usage, gaming etc your CPU will be used no where nearly as much so temps will be much more reasonable.

TBH I don't think there is any off he shelf cooling setup that would keep a CPU around 23-25 degrees under prime load.
 
The CPU overclocked?

I would have expected better from either to be honest especially if the CPU was at stock.

I used to have a h100i on my old 3770k, had it on my 5930k. At stock, they would run around 50c.
 
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