4 More States Legalize Cannabis - who's next?

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Didn't see anything on here about it, but in the noise of the election, 4 more States have legalized the recreational use of cannabis; Massachusetts, Maine, Nevada and California, bringing the total of US States to fully legalise it to 7 states, with more states voting to legalise medical use. This makes a massive shift in turnover of states, which I find funny since the legal stance on the federal level is still illegal... and only last week there was a huge raid on a Californian grower.

Do you think Europe will start to follow suit?

Personally, I think the should. It drives business, industry and brings all the activities in to a taxable/ money making for the state offering, with much more control on the industry.

Discuss...
 
If you're talking about medical uses then I don't think it should be down to a popular vote but simply an evidence based decision as per any other drug. If there is sufficient evidence to start prescribing it in a controlled manner for medical purposes and there are legal obstacles to doing that the the current govt ought to push through legislation to allow it. I don't really see it being a particularly divisive issue politically.
 
I haven't seen any evidence of negative consequences in states like Colorado which I think was first to legalise it, so why not? Gotta love democracy...
 
It's only a matter of time before it's legalised recreationally on a federal level - the dominos are falling. I fear that the UK will take the longest to make any change though.
 
It'll need a massive change in opinion amongst the UK's political elite before there's a chance it'll be legalised here. It would probably take a major political party putting legalisation on their manifesto for it to be a possibility.
 
The fact that states can do it independently of the federal laws allows it to slowly be rolled out and "tested" without it being an all or nothing change. It will never happen in this country.
 
Can I be devils advocate and ask why we'd actually want it to be legalised? It's not healthy in so many ways; lung, throat and tongue cancer; exacerbating mental health conditions; likely causes schizophrenia in those who are predisposed. It, along with smoking, also causes litter on the pavements, and it quite possibly a gateway drug to other far more serious narcotics.

And you all want it legalised so you can get your jollies without breaking the law. OK...
 
I think it precipitates or worsens schizophrenia and other affective disorders and in combination with tobacco definitely damages lungs.
 
What u on about cancer, just make brownies so u dont smoke it then ur no chance of lung cancer from it. Also balls to any negativity its got plenty of evidence it doesnt do half the things some thinks. Alcohol and cigs are far more damaging yet why are they legal?
 
I smoked it extensively for about 6 years solid. Every day. I turned out just fine.



Oh wait. No, let's not go there.
 
Can I be devils advocate and ask why we'd actually want it to be legalised? It's not healthy in so many ways; lung, throat and tongue cancer; exacerbating mental health conditions; likely causes schizophrenia in those who are predisposed. It, along with smoking, also causes litter on the pavements, and it quite possibly a gateway drug to other far more serious narcotics.

And you all want it legalised so you can get your jollies without breaking the law. OK...

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it alleviates a couple of the more severe symptoms of my medical condition more than any prescription drug ever has, or ever will, and in doing so affords me some sense of normalcy.
 
Non-smoker here (tobacco and weed), but I still think it should be legalised. It can be taxed and regulated like alcohol, then proceeds can go into the struggling NHS. It can free up some police time as well who are also strapped for resources. Then they can focus on more serious crimes than cautioning weed junkies.

Wegalise leed :-)
 
Can I be devils advocate and ask why we'd actually want it to be legalised? It's not healthy in so many ways; lung, throat and tongue cancer; exacerbating mental health conditions; likely causes schizophrenia in those who are predisposed. It, along with smoking, also causes litter on the pavements, and it quite possibly a gateway drug to other far more serious narcotics.

And you all want it legalised so you can get your jollies without breaking the law. OK...

You do understand that you live, then you know, you die, and the only point to life is to enjoy it, so laughing at people who want to "get their jollies" is pretty ridiculous. The point of life is not to work hard 9-5 then die, you have the time you have here, then it's over.

For many millions of people maybe billions of people weed helps them relax, it can alleviate symptoms of stress and anxiety, it can reduce pain, it can reduce or prevent seizures. Lung, throat and tongue cancer from weed? or from smoking it and usually with other substances? Tobacco is dramatically more carcinogenic than weed yet it's legal and it has a mind altering effect, though smaller, so what. Have it in an edible, who is getting lung cancer from eating weed... errm, no one at all?

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of weed itself, and there are many many substances that can have negative mental effects that are legal, that doesn't mean they should be made illegal. Regulating weed, controlling the supply, controlling the quality all mean that one, people are much less likely to get other stuff in with their weed and far less likely to smoke it while younger as over a period of years, maybe many, illegal supply will dry up and simply be not viable for anyone to get into.

Also don't forget that today weed is illegal, so people are putting a LOT of effort into making synthetic drugs that are usually legal for a short period at least simply because they are new and not yet regulated. The synthetic drugs around have a monumentally, several magnitudes higher, chance to kill or cause long term effects in people. If you legalise weed, which is for what it is, an incredibly safe drug, you make the pursuit of illegal alternatives pretty much pointless. Why risk taking a dodgy synthetic drug when you have legal access to weed?

There isn't a single valid argument for not making weed legal because it's everywhere already and used on a massive scale by people of all ages in what is a far far less safe way than if it was legal and regulated. On top of that it would have long term monumental effects on crime, community and culture in general. For instance in the states you have hundreds of thousands of people in jail for insanely minor crimes due to the way drugs are treated(which is nonsensically). 98% of all harm that comes from drugs comes from them being illegal. From a family destroyed because a father is in jail after being caught with 2 joints, to a community with a gang problem, a gang problem funded by drug crime. Addiction, because without regulation and with every transaction a risk, buying more effectively becomes a sensible option, so someone has more around and is more likely to overdose or become dependent.

There is zero downsides to legalising weed and many many many many upsides, quite apart from the fact that those who smoke it enjoy it and are perfectly entitled to enjoy their life in a way that doesn't harm well anyone else but themselves also.


Should it be legalised here, yes. It improves the economy, reduces crime, gives people an alternative to far more destructive things like alcohol which causes far more deaths, far more violence, far more community problems. That america is almost leading the modern fight against stupid drug control is rather hilarious seeing as they started it and aren't a liberal place in general. Effective if the puritanical America, which started the fight against drugs, is quite clearly standing up and saying enough... that other countries and people can't see past the stupid anti drug culture we have is embarrassing. THe war on drugs has millions of victims, profit from illegal drug sales is one of the primary sources of terrorism and crime worldwide. There are large sales because there is HUGE demand. But all these anti drug people act like taking a mind altering drug like weed is awful yet drinking, which has a similar mind altering effect(yet more negative effect in most cases) is totally fine and normal.
 
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I think we'll see an avalanche of US states pass similar laws now.

According to Trump, he is "in favor of medical marijuana 100%."

Wonder if the Republicans will back him on that? It'll be odd seeing the Democrats siding with a Republican president that will have to convince his own party.

However it could actually set back medical use by decades. If Trump does indeed reschedule it as a class 2 drug it would therefore fall under the jurisdiction of the FDA, who will require strict clinical trials before licensing it for use. I.e. if it is to be used to treat glucoma, then trials will have to be run to confirm it is effective. Clinical trials are very expensive - it would drive the smaller, more agille medical players out of the market and push it towards big pharma.

So, does Trump think it will benefit people? Or is it really that it's good for big pharma?
 
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What medical condition out of curiosity?

Me said:
As I've posted before, I suffer from one of the worst forms of adult eczema which covers 80% of my body. The constant itching and all over pain never stops.

It's even worse now as it's currently infected, bacterial not viral though. So at the moment the majority of my eczema is oozing yellow pus and weeping some strange clear liquid. My legs are inflamed to twice the size along with being bright red and feeling like they're about 100°C. I've got the shakes, cold extremities (including my feet which feels strange given how hot my legs feel).

Oh yeah, and I still haven't had any proper sleeps since June thanks to the painful itching.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=30114889&postcount=14

And is it medically diagnosed?

Yes it is. I've had it since childhood, the doctors kept on saying I'd grow out of it. I've been under numerous doctors and consultants for most of my life and am currently under Dr. Rotarescu.
 
Ah, that sucks. I get it too, but only on my elbow for some reason. It's a beeatch that's for sure. Good luck with it, must be a right bitch living with 80% coverage :eek:
 
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