Yellow box junction ticket

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Some guidance, if GD pleases. A family member just received a ticket for stopping in a yellow box junction - this box junction:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3...4!1sYVsT4pUQiAe8cLDh4HdrmQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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However at the time of the ticket, the road off to the left was blocked off for works (represented by the red rectangle in the image), hence the reason for thinking there was no issue with entering the box junction. There's someone else in the same evidence photo doing the same thing, who I assume will also be receiving a ticket.

Any grounds for appeal?
 
Always worth a shot. I appealed mine last year because I read that a warning sign has to be within 50m of the box junction and it wasn't so I won the appeal. :)
 
Not really. You only enter a box junction if it's clear you can get out again, no amount of road works changes this. I've had one too, it sucks but I learned my lesson.
 
If that road was closed then there is no need for the junction to be "boxed"

Ask them for the justification.
Then ask the council for proof of the road closure.

Then you can rebut their justification with evidence the road was in-fact closed, thus leaving no reason to give way.
 
These are all great - thank you for the suggestions.

Had it been me, I wouldn't have entered it, but it wasn't, so I'm just trying to help out on something that possibly should be appealed.

Thanks again
 
MooMoo444 said:
It needs to be clear for the people turning right out of Princes Ave I would have thought.
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I would also have thought this and in no circumstances are you held liable if you follow the signs/road markings or the replacement work signs rather than decide it doesn't apply.

Sharing the road with others does rely heavily on everyone understanding and following the same rules. Deciding one rule may not apply in one case may endanger another person who thinks it does and assumes you will follow it (though not in this case, as no one would be in danger) and it is this principle that the rules of the road are built on.
 
MooMoo444 said:
It needs to be clear for the people turning right out of Princes Ave I would have thought.
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Quite right.

It looks like you can also appeal on the grounds of you stopping in the box but in the absence of stationary vehicles blocking your exit. The offence appears to be reliant on you stopping in the box becuase of stationary vehicles blocking your exit or oncoming vehicles causing you to stop. In the absence of the stationary or oncoming vehicles, it looks like there is no offence.

But who knows. Worth a shot.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Sharing the road with others does rely heavily on everyone understanding and following the same rules. Deciding one rule may not apply in one case may endanger another person who thinks it does and assumes you will follow it (though not in this case, as no one would be in danger) and it is this principle that the rules of the road are built on.
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Definitely agree with this, even if many road users do not seem to understand them. They should.
 
I just appealed a parking ticket cause i mistakenly used the wrong reg on my pay by phone app. I sent a PDF of all my previous parkings with the correct reg and the one i paid for the wrong reg just saying "oops, i did technically pay but for the wrong car"

They refunded it, no questions. Worth a shot.
 
Inbox me said:
Not really. You only enter a box junction if it's clear you can get out again, no amount of road works changes this. I've had one too, it sucks but I learned my lesson.
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I seem to rememeber it's also ok to enter the box if the only thing stopping you leaving is opposing traffic (i.e. you're trying to turn right and the traffic flow in the other direction is the only thing stopping you from doing so.
 
Macro said:
I seem to rememeber it's also ok to enter the box if the only thing stopping you leaving is opposing traffic (i.e. you're trying to turn right and the traffic flow in the other direction is the only thing stopping you from doing so.
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As long as the exit road is clear but this person was going straight (i think??)
 
Macro said:
I seem to rememeber it's also ok to enter the box if the only thing stopping you leaving is opposing traffic (i.e. you're trying to turn right and the traffic flow in the other direction is the only thing stopping you from doing so.
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Avenged7Fold said:
As long as the exit road is clear but this person was going straight (i think??)
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Both of you are correct (at least I think you are Macro, from my limited reading on this subject!) - so unfortunately as they were going straight ahead and not turning right, no dice in terms of that exemption. The only exemptions listed in the legislation (aside from bus/taxi/maintenance/emergency vehicles etc.) relate to you turning right. Nothing about going straight.
 
Mahonyy said:
Always worth to appeal, the best grounds normally are signalling (vertical and horizontal), and ask for evidence.
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May I ask what vertical and horizontal signalling means? I'm assuming that's road furniture related?

They've provided photos of it, so they've provided the evidence at least that the person was in the box, stationary, for X amount of time. Can't say as of yet if they have evidence for the reason for not moving though.
 
Damn, it's already been paid due to the notice only being received a couple of hours before the deadline (holiday...).

I'm guessing payment is taken as admission of guilt, so the appeal fun may be rather short lived.
 
I wish more people would get tickets for stopping in them - there is one outside work where people get held up needlessly because someone can't manage to use them properly and blocks the exit for people going another way.
 
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