and even helps create patterns that didn't exist at all.
Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved
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and even helps create patterns that didn't exist at all.
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If it connects like a terrorist, walks like a terrorist and communicates like a terrorist, it must be...
... Johnny, a prolific Twitter troll from Godmanchester. Oopsy!
I remember when people thought George Orwell was being silly with the state surveillance in 1984 because no society would willingly allow that to become normal.
Turns out he wasright. Do it a piece at a time, use propaganda and use children/terrorism as a weapon against dissent and people will accept anything in a matter of a few decades at most. Even when the propaganda is just the crude lies of "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" and "accept whatever we do or you're an accomplice to child abuse and terrorism", it still works well enough.
Turns out he wasright. Do it a piece at a time, use propaganda and use children/terrorism as a weapon against dissent and people will accept anything in a matter of a few decades at most. Even when the propaganda is just the crude lies of "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" and "accept whatever we do or you're an accomplice to child abuse and terrorism", it still works well enough.
It's a good time to be in the vpn business. We will probably make it easy for isps too as the only logs which will show will be vpn connections to ips. And those who don't use vpns will become the easy targets to justify the cost of this pointless leglislation.
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This is literally like that recent episode of southpark where denmark gets access to everyone's data and everyone freaks out because of their internet history
Best Rickroll ever.
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I'm sure even security services are making the same argument, at least in as far as having a centralised repository of digital tracking enabled in part by big private companies (in part supplied and funded by other nations, eg China):
What is the threat? Terrorism, whose proponents are moving online as their physical strongholds are wiped out, and cyber attacks from state agents.
What is the solution? Mass surveillance and data gathering, which, through loose legal definitions and design, has a decent chance of enabling both terrorists and state agents; thus weakening our security and liberty on a very personal level.
What is the problem? A lot of data. Have you tried handling a lot of data? Recording isn't the same as interpreting and making use of quality information.
What is the danger? We end up being policed by the state unduly, whilst centralised stores of our data make us vulnerable to the very threats we are meant to be protected from (preventatively speaking).
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Yeah but now its legal they can dtart using it to prosecute you.
They couldnt take you to court with illegal evidence now its legal they can.
Say what happens if one of the copywrite groups gets access and decides to make a civil case against everyone who visited any of the well known streaming sites?
I was under the impression that its the sharing that gets you in trouble, not the viewing.
Its because we dont have punitive fines.
The max they can go after you for is the cost of the film/show etc
Uploading rhey can **** you royally though.
But if theyve got a years worth of your streaming history at cinema ticket/blu ray prices that could.be a bill in the thousands.
.and once theyve won a few it would just become a "you've been caught streaming pay the 50 quid fine or we take you to court for the full ammount" excercise
Don't underestimate the power of big data harvesting. We're already doing this on a small scale at my place for monitoring and it's amazing how much stuff you can tie together as long as you have some sort of common key or keys. The thought of this technique applied to the general public's browsing data is quite scary. It's not hard to extrapolate and think that people could be denied life insurance policies because of medical conditions or symptoms they've searched for.
Even if the government don't have the processing power to do much useful with it right now, the legislation will be in place already and that power *will* come in the future to fully exploit the law. It's frightening and I'd urge everyone to stick two fingers up by using a VPN.
Even if the government don't have the processing power to do much useful with it right now, the legislation will be in place already and that power *will* come in the future to fully exploit the law. It's frightening and I'd urge everyone to stick two fingers up by using a VPN.
Well broadband prices are going to go up.
Iirc each site blocked costs around £3k per year maintenance costs which will get passed down to us
Then there is the cost of storing all that data ISPs will be required to collect. Unless the government drastically increases the funding they plan on giving them ISPs are going to have to claw back the money needed for that as well.
Look at the responses to the leaks from both countries. The US had several major inquiries and ended up creating several laws to reduce the amount of spying and reigning in the intelligence agencies. In the U.K. however the government decide to seeep it all under the carpet and just make laws to legalise what they were already doing when they were found unlawful.
Theresa May has a lot to answer for.
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Campaigning to repeal this bill would be better. Communicating the risks, the actual risks, of terrorism to the public and what tech can do about it will also help. Cellular data, public, work and academic networks -- there are gaps in VPN gardens. And going full tinfoil a) costs money, b) does nothing for society, the majority of which will be stripped of privacy and c) may make one a tech pariah (say you refuse to use anything that's not secure, with a verifiable source and layers of encryption).
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Repealing this will stand little chance to be honest since labour and the tories support it, the only ones who didn't were the lib dems.
Also, I don't think you can be prosecuted based on events before the law goes in place - it can only be applied for data collected after the law has been applied. Don't think it's received assent yet.
It's very likely they've been collecting logs for years anyway.
Also, I don't think you can be prosecuted based on events before the law goes in place - it can only be applied for data collected after the law has been applied. Don't think it's received assent yet.
It's very likely they've been collecting logs for years anyway.
That makes no sense. Once it comes in and they have legal access to your records, are you honestly saying a crime committed before it became law will just get glossed over and ignored. No way.
As far as I understand it, with torrents, you're always uploading something, be it a few bytes of information, you're technically an uploader.
Correct me if i'm wrong but it's impossible to download a torrent without uploading something, even if uploads are set to zero. I haven't used them in close to 3 years so things might have changed.