Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved
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The levels seem rather senior.
Can we get stats on how many people exist at such levels within the said organisations?
Can we get stats on how many people exist at such levels within the said organisations?
It's surprising (even to someone as cynical as me) how well the government's lies have worked. Most people really think this new law is something about security and doesn't apply to them.
I've explained it to people who were right at that moment using streaming services to watch a pirated TV program and they still didn't think it applied to them.
People are prosecuted for having images of consenting adults doing legal things and consenting to the images being taken and yet most people still think the law on "extreme" pornography is about images of abuse. Often those people have read and enjoyed 50 Shades of Grey, which is far more extreme than the porn that's illegal under the "extreme" porn laws.
It's disturbingly easy to manipulate enough people if you have enough power and the will to use it. People can be misled into tyranny without significant complaint and then you can use that tyranny and lying to dispose of those who do complain. The UK is currently the gold standard for ambitious tyrannies to learn from. The only reason it's still not illegal to complain about it is that our complaints are pointless and jailing or killing us all for those complaints would be counter-productive. At least at this stage in the process. Maybe in a few decades it will happen.
I'm glad I'm old enough to probably be dead before it gets that far and I'm glad I don't have children.
Maybe I'm fooling myself. There are examples in the past of the process only taking a decade or so to go from a quite free and liberal society to a brutally oppressive tyranny.
Very good, but these sort of things need to be ran during prime time television. Youtube videos aren't enough. That was posted 6 months ago and only has 126k views. That needs to be numbering in the hundreds of millions for people to take notice.
At the moment it's too abstract. Just wait until this information is used to start dragging friends and family members to court on copyright infringement charges. I still can't believe everyone I've spoken to in my office doesn't even know what on earth this thing is!
They're a group of positions for which the stated reasons for the spying are irrelevant. That's important because it makes access to the data open enough and provides a level of obfuscation. At most, they just need to appoint a few people to positions unrelated to spying solely for the purpose of rubber-stamping requests. They probably won't even bother with that after a while.
Besides, almost anyone will be able to access the data anyway when it's hacked. It will be hacked. Security online is already defective and becoming ever more so as the "internet of things" spreads and hardly anyone bothers with even a cursory attempt at security for it and as there's an ever-increasing campaign against security because it's part of privacy. Data breaches are so routine they rarely make even tech news sources any more, let alone mainstream news sources. Data breaches simply aren't news unless there's some other angle (e.g. the first time a kettle was used to breach a network) or the scale is large enough to be noteworthy.
I was hoping this would bomb and now it's going to drive people underground. It's a shame our brothers in London betrayed us.
This affects more than just angry Muslims shouting Allahu akbar, but also anybody they want to spy on, minorities or otherwise.
That should do it. Anybody for popcorn?
This affects more than just angry Muslims shouting Allahu akbar, but also anybody they want to spy on, minorities or otherwise.
That should do it. Anybody for popcorn?
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Whinging ain't going to do nothing. People need to get on this big time
Include four fingers and you should just about be good to go.
Everyone should just spam Google for everything that's flagged, hit Google with all the keywords and send them into a meltdown.
I do feel though we are approaching the point of encroachment as people become to realise what is happening, they will feel more supressed and disillusioned with the government.
Its a very dangerous tipping point, I feel it personally now getting pestered to install a smart meter, for what?
Our cooker is electric and can use a good dose of electricity, install a smart meter and it will be screaming at me saying you using X amount of pounds an hour.
What do I do turn the tea off? The is no point at all with smart meters its just another encroachment just like this bill.
They want it in 10 years time so everyone online is snooped, every homes energy usage snooped, every mobile phone usage snooped, when you take a dump snooped with water meters, putting you bin out is snooped etc.
Initial anger will fall by the wayside and resentment will appear which will result in a reaction from the people.
Very very dangerous times that's for sure.
I do feel though we are approaching the point of encroachment as people become to realise what is happening, they will feel more supressed and disillusioned with the government.
Its a very dangerous tipping point, I feel it personally now getting pestered to install a smart meter, for what?
Our cooker is electric and can use a good dose of electricity, install a smart meter and it will be screaming at me saying you using X amount of pounds an hour.
What do I do turn the tea off? The is no point at all with smart meters its just another encroachment just like this bill.
They want it in 10 years time so everyone online is snooped, every homes energy usage snooped, every mobile phone usage snooped, when you take a dump snooped with water meters, putting you bin out is snooped etc.
Initial anger will fall by the wayside and resentment will appear which will result in a reaction from the people.
Very very dangerous times that's for sure.
Can't send Google into meltdown. They'll gladly absorb every single keystroke you make. Every time you enter a key in Google is recorded as a search. So, for example, 'snoopers charter' would actually count for 16 searches. As such, some words can generate a flag while you're typing if the first few letters spell out a flagged word.
There are far more pervasive monitoring systems than mere search analysis anyway.
There are far more pervasive monitoring systems than mere search analysis anyway.
And part and parcel of a democracy is that intelligence agencies and other authorities carry out their work in compliance with civil rights, and in a democratic framework. They need to be "policing by consent". That doesn't mean that every person needs to consent because that would allow criminals to go unchecked by just refusing to consent. It means that while they need to keep the specific details of some capabilities secret, they need to be open about what programs they are running. This is so the public and our elected MP's can have a discussion and decide whether we want these agencies to have these powers. It's pointless of them to say that they operate in a democratic framework when the government and the public are kept in the dark about what they are doing.
When people say "I have nothing to hide" they aren't really thinking about it. With a database like this, a leak of some scale at some point is inevitable. Are you comfortable with people on the internet being able to look at your internet history? If you aren't, then that means you DO have something to hide.
I've mailed a couple of new outlets including the BBC asking them to cover it in light of the petition and the fact that so many people were unaware of this until now. Maybe others can do the same to increase the likelihood of it being on the news (although I'm not holding my breath).
Yeah I think pretty much all of us have looked at stuff or searched for something embarassing or sensitive at some point. The sort of stuff that we wouldn't want to be potentially out in the public domain. Be it medical symptoms or *cough* niche porn ("I was drunk, guv, honest").
Having security agencies snoop through your internet activity is one thing, expected almost in the current climate. It's making ISPs store this data and making it available to all sorts of random government agencies that goes way beyond what should be mandated.
Something like this should require an immense amount of oversight. I'm guessing there will be very little.
Something like this should require an immense amount of oversight. I'm guessing there will be very little.