PayPal & bank fraud brick wall

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My brother in law recently noticed a transaction on his PayPal for £80-something, and knows for a fact he didn't place it. He rang his bank - HSBC - to ask them to cancel his card (which is the only funding source on his PP account) and they said the fraud team don't work weekends. They then refused to cancel his card because the PP transaction hasn't yet shown on his statement so it's "nothing do do with us". He argued that it will soon show, at which point the bank has lost money to fraud. They held fast and said they wouldn't cancel the card. He also contacted PP directly and raised a dispute, reporting the fraud on his account.

Today a new transaction has gone through for several hundred pounds for JD Sports. Both transactions are showing as being delivered to a guy named Joel in London (we live in Liverpool). Once again the bank don't want to know and PP haven't yet replied, so my brother-in-law has phoned JD Sports directly. He informed them of the fraud, and the fact his PP account is being used to pay for an order, and their response was priceless. They won't cancel the order, put a stop on dispatching the goods to the scammer or otherwise flag it up as fraud because... he isn't the person named on the order so they can't talk to him about it. :eek:

Isn't that kinda how fraud works? Nobody is interested and he's about to haemorrhage money from his bank account just before Christmas. I've told him to change his PP password to something with a long and random passphrase and to check the access logs, as well as report it to the police. I've also suggested his unlink his bank card from the PP account, though it's probably too late for the first two transactions. However that doesn't stop the already 'spent' money lifting from his bank at a time he can ill afford it.

Does anyone have any ideas for kicking the bank/PP/JD Sports in the nads and getting this sorted properly? I can't believe how little interest they have in nipping this in the bud, especially the bank who stand to lose the money in the long term.
 
Did he not change his password after he reported it to PP? No 2 step verification either?

+1 And change any accounts using the same or similar password. Set up 2 step verification.

Take notes of who you speak to at HSBC and times, ask to speak to a supervisor. If possible, notify them and record your calls.

Your bank should be assisting you with this.

Also, be sure you are calling your bank and not the fraudsters!
 
Surprised by this hsbcs fraud team were really on the ball when i delt with them.

Although they did send me a foem asking me to sign saying i did not know/have contact with whoever careied out the fraudulent translations despite them knowing it was my ex who nicked my card and who i took personally to the police station.

A phone call later and they apoologised saying it was just a sta dard form and i could ignore it
 
You're really not going to get anywhere with JDSports, from their end the transaction was legitimate. Stay on the blower with HSBC, that is your only option to get your money back in this case.
 
Really shocked by the bank, the few times ive had this happen, one phone call has the card cancelled, a new one on its way and the money refunded instantly.
 
Sounds quite bizarre but I can sort of understand HSBC's position. The fraud has clearly happened on his Paypal account so he needs to be chasing them, nobody else. If the money hasn't gone through the bank (yet) then they're not going to see anything. However I'm still surprised by their reaction. Going to JD is a waste of time, I doubt they're able to do anything at all.

Chase Paypal, get the charges reversed or whatever they call it at Paypal, change all passwords and enable 2FA. Should be fine.
 
Yeah i'm quite surprised with the banks fraud teams, they're normally quite hot on this. Rather than phoning up and asking to cancel your card, just say you've noticed fraudulent transactions on your account and you need to speak to someone immediately regarding what to do next.
 
When I had an issue with paypal, I had to deal with them and not my bank, as my accounts had previously funded paypal legitimately.

It was your paypal account compromised, not the bank, so your complaint is with them. Follow paypals complaints procedure and if that doesn't resolved anything go to the financial ombudsman, that's how I finally got the resolution I was after.
 
One of the reasons I've stuck with Barclays - so far their security team seems to work 24x7 and slightest whiff of fraud, etc. and they've jumped in like a ton of bricks.
 
Just to be clear guys, this is my brother-in-law not me. I already have a massive single-use passphrase and 2FA on my account. :p I agree the bank should have acted better, and the dispute needs to be sorted primarily with PayPal. I was just hoping for some extra ideas I might have missed as I'm about to get in touch with him to help him sort it all out. It was definitely HSBC he rang (the number on the back of his card) and they did tell him the fraud team doesn't work weekends. I thought that was strange too, but tbf they probably just fobbed him off rather than transfer him over when nothing is showing on his account yet (i.e. they tried to save the fraud team a wasted call). Bad form though imho.
 
They cant do anything until it shows their end though.

Have him call again with it showing and ask them to refuse any transactions going via Paypal.

That should fix it.

Then "CALL" Paypal and explain to them the issue and you want to raise an fraudulent usage claim
 
I think your brother in law is telling a few fibs here tbh.

*Their is absolutely no way the bank would not have cancelled the card on request
*They are also open at weekends for 24 hours
*The moment you mention fraud they take any and I mean any circumstance very seriously.
 
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