The Muslim world seems to disagree, when Syria banned the veil in places of education the response from Saudi Arabia and others was to condemn the action as being "too progressive".
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The Muslim world seems to disagree, when Syria banned the veil in places of education the response from Saudi Arabia and others was to condemn the action as being "too progressive".
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Whether the Muslim world disagree or not does not make it any more feasible to enforce or police or just to punish those who do not follow it.
Banning it from certain places is one thing but banning it in all public places is another. A ban can serve a purpose in a place where one can choose not to go but an unenforceable ban in all public places serves no purpose.
Banning it from certain places is one thing but banning it in all public places is another. A ban can serve a purpose in a place where one can choose not to go but an unenforceable ban in all public places serves no purpose.
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isn't religion based on blind faith, so his statement is factually correct
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I was trying to be light hearted.
Believe in whoever and whatever you want. Just don't expect to be pandered to or for it to be ok to kill in the name of your religion.Fairness and equality for all. However if you move to a country is it right the country adapts to you or you adapt to the country knowing what it's like? If I moved to India or China I'd expect to learn the language and culture. If I did not adapt they send me back.
Religion has started more wars and killed more people than anything else. Look anywhere in the world and it's religion at the heart of it.
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That is so offensive!
Don't presume to judge me on your beliefs, you sinner/blasphemer!
TBH, whether it is correct or not, its not hard to see that the statement is sort of belittling. For an atheist the importance of a higher power is negligible or irrelevant, for someone who is devout it obviously can be a pretty big deal.
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Knew I had seen it somewhere. Hijab is a requirement, full face veil is not. "Deputy Minister of Religious Endowments for Preaching, agreed with Tantawi's statements. Abdel-Galil was assigned by Minister of Religious Endowments Mahmoud Hamqi Zaqzouq to give lectures to explain to the ministry's face-veiled female employees that niqab is not an obligation in Islam and that the head scarf is enough."
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I'm now bowing out of this thread. I've stirred up a hornet's nest lol. Enjoy.
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That said though, regardless of which religious official recognise or dont recognise it as a religious requirement, there is often so much varience within a faith or culture that there will genuinely be people who wear it because they do believe it is part of their religion. Not a justification but rather another reason why the issue is more complicated than it seems.
Hell, there are people in my office now who are 'against Halloween because they are Christian' whatever that means, not that celebrating or not celebrating Halloween has anything to do with Christ.
Hell, there are people in my office now who are 'against Halloween because they are Christian' whatever that means, not that celebrating or not celebrating Halloween has anything to do with Christ.
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I was trying to be light hearted.
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Sorry, why are you defending what you said? You levied a direct insult at believers. And again another one. Your religious intolerance and hatred is not acceptable. It's no different to people who use the sky fairy insult. A direct and personal attack on people who believe in a deity.
You wouldn't cast insults in the same way at another group such as LGBT or ethic minorities.
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Yeah, laws, regulations, societal norms, acceptable behaviour and all that.
Certain countries already do ban the wearing of certain things - I hate to commit teh faux pas of bringing this subject up in an internet discussion, but I believe some Nazi symbology is one common example of things that countries (Germany, I expect) have been banned in public places?
I'm personally not so much bothered by the whole Ninja Muslim look (which mostly seems to come in just black, for some strange reason) and hidden face thing, as the idea that someone is forcing a woman to wear that as a symbol of his superiority. To me, it actually echoes of blue & white stripey pyjamas with yellow six-pointed stars on.
Exactly - I was cautioned against letting my tattoos show in Japan, lest people assume I had something to do with the Yakuza or was being disrespectful of my parents - When in Rome, and all that.... but this isn't Rome. Over here, the only reasons people hide their faces tend to involve criminal activity. We know the veiled women are likely not about to rob the place, with all the shopping bags and children in hand, but it's still that cultural mentality being triggered...
It's a hard one, sure, which is why I'd say ban it here because this is our country and we make the laws... but don't go waving it at others and expect them to follow. It'd be like going up to Saudi drunk and waving the pub opening regulations at them!
Their country, their choice - our country, our choice, no?
Ah... but they do regard it as "progress", no?
Oh dear, I had no idea a Burka would save your life if you fell off a motorcycle.
Tops marks 10/10 for missing my point completely.
You'll notice if you go back to where I actually first replied to the "Ban it for safety reasons" post you'll see I actually talked about other things that are just as good at hiding your face and aren't safety wear.
Also again as I've already mentioned I can walk down the street in my helmet completely hiding my face and at no risk of falling off the bike I've parked 100m away while breaking no laws yet hiding my face as much as a burka and also providing a pretty solid weapon if I wanted to headbutt someone or start swinging it about.
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Last one - I don't HATE people who believe. I admire them in the fact they believe in something that you cannot measure it nor prove an actual existence of. It's a belief far beyond what I could blindly follow.
LGBT and ethnicity I can see the differences.
That's the only thing - seeing is believing for me. Anything else is interpretation. One person believed in Islam, kills a 1000 people because they think somebody insulted the prophet. Another person believes in Islam, lives a perfectly respectable life and wouldn't hurt a fly. I know the latter and they are good friends. Same for Christians and any other religion.
The only people I hate are the people who would hurt mine and others loved ones.
Hate is an overused term.
Ps I know you'll get upset at me using Islam as an example but it's in the current affairs. In the crusades it was the Christians etc.
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Your face is still more visible.
You will still arouse some suspicion.
You can choose whether or not to walk around town looking like an Arai Bobblehead... no-one is forcing you to look like a pillock.
Also, you're supposed to be a biker, dammit. If your lid is the best weapon you've got, you're sorely lacking.... unless you're just a moped rider?
How is what you underlined in his quote offensive, are you really that sensitive or touchy.
What a thing to get upset about.
How some people get through a day is beyond me.
Your face is still more visible.
You will still arouse some suspicion.
You can choose whether or not to walk around town looking like an Arai Bobblehead... no-one is forcing you to look like a pillock.
Also, you're supposed to be a biker, dammit. If your lid is the best weapon you've got, you're sorely lacking.... unless you're just a moped rider?
Not when I've got my neck tube pulled up over my nose.
Yes but it's not going to get me fined or charged with a crime, unless I happen to actually be doing something naughty rather than just covering my face.
Exactly there'd be outrage if that choice was taken away from me and I don't own an Arai
I'm more than capable of looking after myself with no weapons, but that's not the point unless there's going to be a ban on me using both arms just in case.
perfect target for a grab n run, they'd be long gone before the police arrive..
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When are people told to remove their helmet for security reasons while riding on a motorcycle?
There is as little reason to wear a motorbike helmet as a veil when you are in a place that requires you to remove them for the sake of security.
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Just as there is outrage that women are being forced to wear something, when people like you have the choice.Exactly there'd be outrage if that choice was taken away from me and I don't own an Arai
...and I'm sorry you're too poor to afford an Arai...
I suppose you'd have to be, as a moped rider and all...
Hey, you brought up the headbutting... I assumed it was somehow a relevant comparison to the martial capabilities of the cloth veil...?
Technically I'm supposed to every time I go through the gate at work, but I make such a fuss of it that the guard just smiles, rolles his eyes and opens the gate now!!