1070 vs 980 Ti

Toss3 · 7 Dec 2016 at 19:07

I'm really confused - saw comparisons between a Fury and GTX 1070 and there was practically no difference - what is going on here (talking about the BF1 benchmarks, and the numbers seem awfully low - 46 - 48 fps on avg at 1440p on Ultra)?

Here's the video

tommybhoy · 7 Dec 2016 at 19:10

Toss3 said:
In which newer titles? You can't really compare a stock GTX 980 Ti vs overclocked custom GTX 1070.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgfe4QdhBbE

Never said oc v stock anything, but even if I gave a maxed clocked 980Ti a few fps advantage anyway, as I said, you can keep it due to the heat but more so due to the lower erratic mins that oc'ing creates.

Rottr springs to mind as an example where the 70>>>>>>Ti, Bf4 needed texture blur fixed in regards to support-but in saying that BF1 stability is utter garbage on my 70, it crashes constantly in DX11 and won't even launch DX12, don't know if that's a Pascal or Nv thing though.

r7slayer · 7 Dec 2016 at 19:12

Rroff said:
Didn't say only one in mind - I said I have a particular case in mind where its more pronounced - in this case everybody's gone to the rapture where as you walk around you will find some bits where the 980ti struggles more than the 1070 with the same view.

As I said the devil is in the detail - the average framerate numbers on review sites, etc. often don't reveal it same for the canned benchmarks where its often not apparent but sometimes in actual gameplay another story - unless you happen to play a game through on both cards or play the same thing a lot where it happens to happen its quite hard to pickup on - I have an almost eidetic memory when it comes to game worlds and framerates and can tell you after just one run through what kind of framerate you'd get in any given area so tend to notice things like this.

Ive not noticed these drop offs you speak of because all the newer games ive been playing at 1440p ive not felt or seen it. Especially a case where you say its drops off to 40FPS.
Its strange how when new cards come out the cards which used to be at the top seem to magically loose performance. Mine seem to perform the same as it always has. Yes newer games have become demanding but not to the point where boom need a upgrade because performance is dropping off a cliff.

Then again i don't know what settings everyone plays at? Because i dont smack up AA or have DOF or that settings that blurs everything when you turn quick.
Anyways like ive said people refer to benchmarks where 1070 is pitted against a 980Ti with out of the box overclocks. The way the GPU boost3.0 overclocks it takes a 1070 upto around 19xx hundred in some cases which is well over its 1683MHz stand boost.
And make out the 980Ti to be significantly slower which isn't the case. Like you said they perform similar in games.

Rroff · 7 Dec 2016 at 19:14

Toss3 said:
I'm really confused - saw comparisons between a Fury and GTX 1070 and there was practically no difference - What is going on here?

Here's the video

Ashes - ok then...
BF1 is quite CPU heavy - though other sites at slightly lower CPU speed show a bigger difference between the 2 cards.

r7slayer said:
And make out the 980Ti to be significantly slower which isn't the case. Like you said they perform similar in games.

They perform (with an overclock on the 980ti) similar in many games but there are some games where the 980ti doesn't always hold up as well as the 1070 which is another thing that potentially weighs in favour of the 1070 even though its not a big deal overall.

EDIT: I'm usually talking ultra settings, everything on, and around 4x MSAA or whatever equivalent a game supports at 1440p - often if you drop a few settings off a little it doesn't have the same impact.

r7slayer · 7 Dec 2016 at 19:18

Toss3 said:
In which newer titles? You can't really compare a stock GTX 980 Ti vs overclocked custom GTX 1070.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgfe4QdhBbE

This is pretty much what i mean but how people speak now is that 980Ti has lost that gain and 1070 spanks it. I'm sure if the 1070 gained that much performance from drivers nVidia would have been bragging just so reviewers would re bench.

Griffildur · 7 Dec 2016 at 19:24

For the sake of £60 I would go with a 1070 tbh. A bit more memory, newer architecture, warranty, it all adds up nicely.

r7slayer · 7 Dec 2016 at 19:33

Griffildur said:
For the sake of £60 I would go with a 1070 tbh. A bit more memory, newer architecture, warranty, it all adds up nicely.

To be fair its probably more than £60. £60 is at its best. 1070 go around £380 - £390 at its cheapest while 980Ti sell for around £280 average second hand with some ive seen cheaper than that at times.

Personally depends on budget for me. If i was wanting to spend no more than £300 on a card i would snap up a 980Ti in a heartbeat.

DarrenM343 · 7 Dec 2016 at 19:42

r7slayer said:
To be fair its probably more than £60. £60 is at its best. 1070 go around £380 - £390 at its cheapest while 980Ti sell for around £280 average second hand with some ive seen cheaper than that at times.

Personally depends on budget for me. If i was wanting to spend no more than £300 on a card i would snap up a 980Ti in a heartbeat.

But in the same theme, if someone could spend £400 on a card they'd be daft to buy a 980 Ti at £280. Why? 1070 is everything better and how much is a warranty worth and knowing it's a brand new part? Easily worth £60 just the warranty to many, say £40-50 for being brand new and you're already close so the new tech and performance is free

Buy a used 980 Ti for £280 and it fails, although unlikely, but if it does and the warranty is no longer worth a dime that's a £280 paper weight. Some Ti's are now well over a year old now and if overclocked it's likely to be further down the MTBF line path.

IMO second hand GPU's are overvalued.

Jae-So · 7 Dec 2016 at 19:45

r7slayer said:
To be fair its probably more than £60. £60 is at its best. 1070 go around £380 - £390 at its cheapest while 980Ti sell for around £280 average second hand with some ive seen cheaper than that at times.

Personally depends on budget for me. If i was wanting to spend no more than £300 on a card i would snap up a 980Ti in a heartbeat.

A GTX 970 mini (which will slot in my case nicely) is going for £360 right this very second.

TNA · 7 Dec 2016 at 20:42

Rroff said:
Depends what your expectations are I guess.

Could not have said it better myself

I play all my games 4K and the 1070 did it for me. But of course where 40fps average is fine for me, others would say that is a slideshow and need minimum 100fps

Jae-So · 7 Dec 2016 at 21:07

TNA said:
Could not have said it better myself

I play all my games 4K and the 1070 did it for me. But of course where 40fps average is fine for me, others would say that is a slideshow and need minimum 100fps

4K/40 is decent enough for me TBH. Really thinking about the 1070 mini.

TNA · 7 Dec 2016 at 21:19

Jae-So said:
4K/40 is decent enough for me TBH. Really thinking about the 1070 mini.

Just so you have an accurate picture, I do run my 1070 at around 2050mhz core and 9200mhz memory on latest demanding games. So a 1070 mini will probably be more like 1800mhz core I would imagine. That could be like 10-15% less frames right there. Keep that in mind

Jae-So · 7 Dec 2016 at 21:47

I see, thanks for the heads up.

Jae-So · 7 Dec 2016 at 21:52

Was checking some benchmarks earlier and the 1070 dominates the 980Ti in this one: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080_SLI/20.html

Leaning towards that as I never push that hard with my OC.

EDIT: Gonna wait until I have cash in hand and make a decision, might find some really good Ti deals.

Brazo · 7 Dec 2016 at 22:36

Yes you can overclock the living **** out of a 980ti and it might match a 1070 but who needs to a card that is running at its limit, drawing far more power/heat when you can have a new silent card causing no fuss at all!

Phixsator · 8 Dec 2016 at 08:31

Brazo said:
Yes you can overclock the living **** out of a 980ti and it might match a 1070 but who needs to a card that is running at its limit, drawing far more power/heat when you can have a new silent card causing no fuss at all!

The 1070.. or any 10 series nvidia card is pretty much running near limit out of the box but other than that i agree i too believe the 1070 to be the better card out of the 2. I have had both and the difference is major, perhaps not so much in raw performance but soooo much bigger in terms of Temps, noise and power draw. That said, the 980 ti at 1450+ core is a beast, very hot but also very beastly

. My personal pick would be the 1070, a good one like the msi's.

r7slayer · 8 Dec 2016 at 11:15

Jae-So said:
A GTX 970 mini (which will slot in my case nicely) is going for £360 right this very second.

Then its overpriced? I'm not sure what your point is.

Rroff · 8 Dec 2016 at 11:21

Phixsator said:
The 1070.. or any 10 series nvidia card is pretty much running near limit out of the box but other than that i agree i too believe the 1070 to be the better card out of the 2. I have had both and the difference is major, perhaps not so much in raw performance but soooo much bigger in terms of Temps, noise and power draw. That said, the 980 ti at 1450+ core is a beast, very hot but also very beastly . My personal pick would be the 1070, a good one like the msi's.

My 1070 boosts to 1911MHz out the box (which is fairly standard) - will drop down 1-2 speed bins depending on what I'm doing once it warms up but couple of minor changes to the profile and it pretty much holds 1911MHz. Overclocks to 2100MHz which it mostly holds but occasionally will drop to approx 2025MHz due to the power limit or something. None of it really makes that much odds to the framerate I see ingame though.

uZi · 8 Dec 2016 at 12:32

The 1070 runs quieter/cooler, uses less power and gets similar performance with the typical boost (~1.9-2.1 Ghz). However, it has a lower memory bus width (256- vs 384-bit) and fewer cores (1920 vs 2816). Roughly speaking the 1070 needs to be running ~800-900 MHz faster to match the 980Ti so if you overclock a 980Ti past 1400 MHz, then it's going to win by a small margin in most circumstances as 1070s don't tend to get above 2100MHz.

I doubt you'll notice much in the performance between the two cards.. so depends on how much value you put on noise, temperature and power usage (I don't think the memory is really a big factor). I'd not pay more than £250 for a second-hand 980Ti though. I just got one for £210, but had I been unable to get one under £250, I'd probably have paid the extra for a 1070.

Either way, you'll be happy

Jae-So · 8 Dec 2016 at 13:45

r7slayer said:
Then its overpriced? I'm not sure what your point is.

My point was it isn't "£380-£390 at it's very cheapest"...