1070 vs 980 Ti

nashathedog · 9 Dec 2016 at 21:23

beany_bot said:
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+1

The 1070 will slowly start moving beyond what the 980ti can manage, When the 1070 first released people on this forum were stating that the 980ti was the faster of the two and the better choice, I found the fact that so called clued up enthusiasts were making such a claim amazing, but time will tell.

1070 vs 980Ti Showdown - G1 Gaming GTX1070 vs Strix GTX980Ti

Perfect example here, 6 months ago this was the sort of evidence used to support the 980ti being the better card,

So how does it do today?

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1050_Ti_Strix_OC/29.html

The Ti seems to be slipping.

Here's an aftermarket 1070 with a small overclock showing around a 10% lead overall

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Quick_Silver_OC/29.html

Things will only get worse for the Ti so it's a no-brainer.

lumik · 10 Dec 2016 at 09:11

nashathedog said:
+1

The 1070 will slowly start moving beyond what the 980ti can manage, When the 1070 first released people on this forum were stating that the 980ti was the faster of the two and the better choice, I found the fact that so called clued up enthusiasts were making such a claim amazing, but time will tell.

Perfect example here, 6 months ago this was the sort of evidence used to support the 980ti being the better card,

So how does it do today?

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1050_Ti_Strix_OC/29.html

The Ti seems to be slipping.

Here's an aftermarket 1070 with a small overclock showing around a 10% lead overall

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Quick_Silver_OC/29.html

Things will only get worse for the Ti so it's a no-brainer.

Aftermarket 980TI after OC will be still faster than any GTX1070.
Reference 980TI runs at 1000-1100mhz thats why reference 1070 running at 1860Mhz is faster.
When is 980TI oc at 1500Mhz its faster than any GTX1070.

Toss3 · 10 Dec 2016 at 10:20

lumik said:
Aftermarket 980TI after OC will be still faster than any GTX1070.
Reference 980TI runs at 1000-1100mhz thats why reference 1070 running at 1860Mhz is faster.
When is 980TI oc at 1500Mhz its faster than any GTX1070.

This. Also most of those benchmarks aren't rerun on newer drivers/updates, so all of the scores are basically invalid.

nashathedog · 10 Dec 2016 at 11:47

lumik said:
Aftermarket 980TI after OC will be still faster than any GTX1070.
Reference 980TI runs at 1000-1100mhz thats why reference 1070 running at 1860Mhz is faster.
When is 980TI oc at 1500Mhz its faster than any GTX1070.

Toss3 said:
This. Also most of those benchmarks aren't rerun on newer drivers/updates, so all of the scores are basically invalid.

I respectfully disagree, But I'm happy to be proven wrong and learn something in the process so if you can find anything to back up what you think please point me to it.

uZi · 10 Dec 2016 at 12:46

nashathedog said:
I respectfully disagree, But I'm happy to be proven wrong and learn something in the process so if you can find anything to back up what you think please point me to it.

It's pretty simple maths:

2816 cores Vs 1920 cores.

The architecture isn't different, so 1070 has to be running at about 1.4 (2186/1920 = 1.4666..) times the clock speed to beat it. So if a 980Ti is at 1500, the 1070 needs to be at 2100+. That's about the limit of a 1070, so it's always going to be close.

Then there's the memory bandwidth on a 980ti being boosted by the 384-bit bus width and more texture units, etc.

Sure there's other subtle things, but the overclocked 980ti is always gonna keep up with the 1070. The only thing that's going to get the 1070 ahead is if they completely drop optimisation's for it, but since the architectures are so similar that seems very unlikely.

Rroff · 10 Dec 2016 at 15:25

uZi said:
The architecture isn't different

Not entirely true - several differences in relation to memory atomics, tweaks to things like SM instruction buffers and registers plus pre-emption and so on so that Pascal has better granularity over utilising the various GPU systems to better keep the hardware saturated etc.

Hence why though they often appear to give average framerates that are fairly close - which is partly helped by the 980ti being able to pull up max framerates in some cases due to the extra texture units and so on there is/can be a difference in the framerate floor.

uZi · 10 Dec 2016 at 18:04

Rroff said:
Not entirely true - several differences in relation to memory atomics, tweaks to things like SM instruction buffers and registers plus pre-emption and so on so that Pascal has better granularity over utilising the various GPU systems to better keep the hardware saturated etc.

Hence why though they often appear to give average framerates that are fairly close - which is partly helped by the 980ti being able to pull up max framerates in some cases due to the extra texture units and so on there is/can be a difference in the framerate floor.

I missed a "very" in there.. but the point remains: Pascal is essentially a refresh of Maxwell at 16nm

r7slayer · 10 Dec 2016 at 18:26

Purgatory said:
1070 vs 980Ti Showdown - G1 Gaming GTX1070 vs Strix GTX980Ti

Founders GTX 1080 vs Strix GTX 980 Ti Showdown + 980 Comparison

See when you find some one who isn't using the old Reference 980Ti as a comparison for AIB 1070 and 1080 cards. You get much different results. Not sure in that video if he even OC the 980Ti from out of the box clocks? And the 980Ti strix wasn't far off the 1080 at times.

So much for the 1070 Spanking the 980Ti. Either way i doubt any 1070 will be spanking my 980Ti at 1542 lol

Even with driver updates. What we talking about a year for the 1070 to get upto par? Id be upgrading by then anyway.

Rroff · 10 Dec 2016 at 18:38

uZi said:
I missed a "very" in there.. but the point remains: Pascal is essentially a refresh of Maxwell at 16nm

I think down the line we are going to see similar to Kepler v Maxwell - when games started using shader approaches, etc. that exploited the enhancements to Maxwell those cards started pulling ahead by around 15% even in an otherwise like for like situation - which you couldn't really make up overclocking Kepler because the inefficiencies in regard to loading up the hardware started to have an impact.

One of the big advantages of Pascal that Maxwell can't do is its ability to fold workload in behind the graphics queue if that finished early enough which potentially could make quite a difference.

Purgatory · 10 Dec 2016 at 19:33

r7slayer said:
See when you find some one who isn't using the old Reference 980Ti as a comparison for AIB 1070 and 1080 cards. You get much different results. Not sure in that video if he even OC the 980Ti from out of the box clocks? And the 980Ti strix wasn't far off the 1080 at times.

So much for the 1070 Spanking the 980Ti. Either way i doubt any 1070 will be spanking my 980Ti at 1542 lol Even with driver updates. What we talking about a year for the 1070 to get upto par? Id be upgrading by then anyway.

He didn't overclock the cards, they were all at stock overclocks .

There was a reason I posted that, I see you spotted it, the 980ti is close to a 1080 and not even a 1070.

Tried a 1080 Classy over the Black Friday sales and it got sent back and sticking with my 980Ti Classy. I can live with the 10% difference in some games, it's not here or there that.. I was hoping to reduce my power use and the 1080 Classy when overclocked too uses as much power as the 980Ti Classy clocked to 1580mhz .. so pointless upgrade. Was hoping to go SLI 1080 Classy and reduce the power compared to 980Ti Classy SLI.. Will wait till the 1080Ti Classy comes out and see again.

Reality is this.. from fastest to slowest. :-

Titan X Pascal
1080
980ti
1070

Brazo · 10 Dec 2016 at 22:53

Can anybody actually post hard fps facts that demonstrate an oc 980ti beating an oc 1070? Too much guff posted in the last few posts.

Lmg80 · 10 Dec 2016 at 23:05

Anyone who is building a PC as opposed to upgrading is not going to buy a 980ti over a 1070, that would not make sense.

Prior to upgrading to a desktop from a 980m laptop I had, I would happily swap for a 980ti system.

Unfortunately no one wanted to swap therefore the swap/sell advert the sell win!

The 980ti was/is a very capable card. Whether it's better is all subjective as my 1070 hits my fps target so I'm very happy

r7slayer · 11 Dec 2016 at 00:59

Brazo said:
Can anybody actually post hard fps facts that demonstrate an oc 980ti beating an oc 1070? Too much guff posted in the last few posts.

Just watch the video posted man. It shows you the hard facts i mean its right there to see in a google search. Just ensure your not seeing 980Ti reference results. When both are overclocked the 980Ti is faster

But like some have said if you are buying new then go for the 1070. IMO if on a budget then 980Ti. Also its more than £60 like some keep saying. Its more like £100.

TheRealDeal · 11 Dec 2016 at 01:06

r7slayer said:
Just watch the video posted man. It shows you the hard facts i mean its right there to see in a google search. Just ensure your not seeing 980Ti reference results. When both are overclocked the 980Ti is faster

But like some have said if you are buying new then go for the 1070. IMO if on a budget then 980Ti. Also its more than £60 like some keep saying. Its more like £100.

I would say the gtx980ti is the more powerful but i do think Nvidia added in some improvements especially in dx12 that make the 1070 a better buy. With Nvidia you are better to buy the most recent as they are the better supported cards.

Purgatory · 11 Dec 2016 at 02:28

If I was buying new now yes it would be a 1070 but it doesn't mean its a faster card than the previous generation.

But if I was after the fastest card for the money the 980TI is the clear winner.

Tephnos · 11 Dec 2016 at 02:49

Max for max, OC 980Ti will beat a 1070 marginally.

However, Nvidia driver updates will bring the 1070 above the 980Ti in time.

IvanDobskey · 11 Dec 2016 at 07:15

Not everyone overclocks their video card

Waste of time if you ask me. There aren't much gains to be had and gpus aren't as robust as cpus.

smogsy · 11 Dec 2016 at 08:22

Any news when it's released GTX1080 just don't cut it for me any more.

DarrenM343 · 11 Dec 2016 at 09:05

nashathedog said:
+1

The 1070 will slowly start moving beyond what the 980ti can manage, When the 1070 first released people on this forum were stating that the 980ti was the faster of the two and the better choice, I found the fact that so called clued up enthusiasts were making such a claim amazing, but time will tell.

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Doesn't matter how clued up the enthusiasts are, if they recently paid £550+ for an outgoing card, many are likely to be biased.
I remember reading "but if the 980 TI is overclocked" but when it's convienient people forget the new card can be overclocking and also overclocking isn't quite the same as out of the box performance either.
It's obvious new tech performance even if the paper FPS is the same as an outgoing product, it's going to be a much better all-round product than some old 1.5 to 2 year old tech.

r7slayer · 11 Dec 2016 at 09:10

IvanDobskey said:
Waste of time if you ask me. There aren't much gains to be had and gpus aren't as robust as cpus.

Are you serious lol? :eek:

1253 is my core clock and 1355 boost which is one of the highest out of the box overclock on the 980Ti range. I got a significant boost in FPS when i overclocked my card to 1542.