Like how the country voted for May? ... oh wait.
She was an elected MP, stop talking utter rubbish. We have never elected a Prime Minister.
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She was an elected MP, stop talking utter rubbish. We have never elected a Prime Minister.
Will you stop talking utter rubbish about 'making our own laws' then?
The EU proposes laws; that Government either adopts or rejects.Like how the country voted for May? ... oh wait
Well we didn't vote for Jean-Claude "the drunker" Juncker either. But he still seemed to think he ran the UK just like the rest of the EU.
Here it is the party that is in power, not the person. They see out their term no matter who is PM.
Will you stop talking utter rubbish about 'making our own laws' then?
In most areas barring a few if a law get's a majority vote in EU parliament we have to adopt it into UK law. This has been the case since the 2009 Lisbon treaty. Keep talking rubbish though.
Well this is precisely the point. The whole question is one that is incredibly complex, with a wide range of topics that deserve rational and objective debate, being condensed into a simplistic yes/no question. To say that you would vote to leave no matter what and that absolutely nothing can convince you otherwise strikes me as a bit short sighted and stubborn. I can't imagine most rational people would be like that in any other scenario, so why be like that in the case of this referendum?
Because this isn't true, dependant on who you listen too. Maybe your wrong.
The European Commission does not make laws, it proposes laws; national elected governments and elected MEP's amend, reject, or accept them.
The United Kingdom has had a say, and being a major voice, within the European Union for yonks.
But is it not true that we do no elect those officials. So a unelected person we don't know is a major voice for the people?
Last time I checked we had 73 MEP's, we elected them in 2014 iirc.
I voted remain but am now moving towards indifference.
This post sums up my views on the debate at the moment. Leave won the referendum and we should just get on with it. A u-turn now would be ridiculous.
The petty sniping on both sides is irritating and I hate the fact that it seems difficult to have a decent discussion about the issue without people trying to get a dig in. The reaction of some of my friends to those that voted differently to them is shocking
But we're subject to being outvoted on laws that we disagree with, as a country that isn't acceptable to me. Do you understand that? I don't want laws put in place that we disagree with, even if every other country in Europe wants it.
... Is that not exactly how Parliament works in this country?
Our party is subjected to being outvoted on laws that [we/I] disagree with. I did not want the Snoopers chart to go through, but err, it did and we elected those members to Parliament.
As a person, that is not acceptable to me.
Our elected MEP's make up almost 10% of the MEP's do they not? (there's ~750~ of them?)
Yeah that's how our country works and that's fine, it's not fine when that moves to a European level because at that point we cease to govern our own country, instead we're governed by Europe. That's what I disagree with. You may not mind if we become citizens of Europe rather than the UK, but that's why we had a referendum.
I'm a citizen of the World, not just England, Great Britain, and Europe.
We are a sovereign nation, and we have a say in the European Union, a collective of countries working together, democratically.
I do not think further dividing the world is the way forward, nor do I want to be divided and have a Tory Government ruin this country.
Yes, because if those points were actually as great as they sounded they may have carried more punch in the debate... oh wait...
Problem was, even call me Dave came back from the negotiating table knowing he had a crap deal, so when they tried to up-spin them... they got ripped to pieces.
That's fine, and I'm a citizen of Great Britain before anything else. If my town was devastated it would be British citizens that come and helped me, if there was a war I would fight for Britain and Britain would fight for me, other people's citizens feel the same about their own country. We're not quite at a point yet where we can just knock down the borders and be governed by The United Federation of Planets, as great as that might one day be. Plus if we were forced to move closer towards another country I'd rather we joined America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand than a lot of European countries. We have more in common.
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