Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

Are you happy with the investigatory powers bill being passed?

  • Yes, I fully agree with it.

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Yes, but I am uncomfortable with certain aspects of it.

    Votes: 31 5.5%
  • I am undecided.

    Votes: 27 4.8%
  • No, but I do agree with parts of it.

    Votes: 103 18.2%
  • No, I fully disagree with it.

    Votes: 391 69.1%

  • Total voters
    566
I'm actually starting to wonder if this has only been passed so that the EU can step in and deem it to be a breach of human rights just prior to another EU referendum, remain would win by a landslide. I don't believe that the establishment ever wanted us to leave.

I think you're wrong on two counts:

1) Remain wouldn't win by a landslide because as yet few people understand what has changed because it hasn't directly affected them yet. It will, but not until it's too late.

2) While the establishment generally didn't want us to leave, doing so has provided them with a golden opportunity to increase their power dramatically. They can make the UK into a far more repressive authoritarian state outside the EU than they could have done inside the EU and that's exactly what they are doing. If they don't ludicrously over-reach themselves they can remove the entire idea of the people they rule having rights without having to do it the honest way by a coup and open dictatorship. Thanks to their propaganda, many people are open to the idea of repealing human rights law because they have no idea what that really means. No tyrants have had such a golden opportunity before. They're not likely to pass it up because they might be a bit richer if the UK stayed in the EU.
 
We are still in the EU, so why has there been no intervention or at least condemnation of this act? It's an open goal in the political sense so I can't see why they're not taking the opportunity to paint themselves in a more positive light.
 
We are still in the EU, so why has there been no intervention or at least condemnation of this act? It's an open goal in the political sense so I can't see why they're not taking the opportunity to paint themselves in a more positive light.

Because there's a lot of people who'd use it as a negative.

Although I'm not sure they even care at the moment as we've voted for brexit they probably just want done with it.
 
We are still in the EU, so why has there been no intervention or at least condemnation of this act? It's an open goal in the political sense so I can't see why they're not taking the opportunity to paint themselves in a more positive light.

The thing is most governments have pretty much the same agenda which is to remain in control. I'd be surprised if they weren't getting any ideas of their own to be honest. ;)
 
Unfortunately I think we'll be seen as a shining light of forward thinking by other nations' governments, particularly due to the public's apathy.
 
http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/8/13893280/ovh-gchq-spying-french-web-hosting-company-surveillance

British spies targeted the CEO of a French web hosting company

In 2009, Britain’s GCHQ spying agency was actively targeting the CEO of one of Europe’s largest cloud hosting. A new report published by Le Monde (in partnership with The Intercept) found OVH CEO Octave Klaba’s name on a list of “interesting names” used as part of a metadata test by GCHQ in 2009, alongside ambassadors and politicians. It’s unclear how thoroughly Klaba was surveilled beyond that test, but the list is strong evidence that he was considered a target by intelligence agencies at the time.

Sounds totally legit, guys.
 

You're a few years late ;). The fact that intelligence agencies target/infiltrate useful businesses/businessmen is very old, I used to post about it several years ago, back when it first came to light that the NSA/CIA were on an ongoing mission to infiltrate core IXP's and then to completely seize the internet.

OVH runs a fairly substantial European network spanning many major and minor IXP's even over deep ocean fibre back to East Coast USA. It's inevitable that he, and many like him, would be a prime target for coercion/infiltration/CT Nut theory/whatever people want to call it.
 
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Well virgin media can go and screw themselves in February.

I have been blocked from all my torrent sites and can only access them through Tor now.

Cannot get into any torrent sites and the ones I can are rubbish.

Going to sort a VPN out this week as I have an old router lying around and it can be flashed to support VPN.

I can see where all this is going and I really don't like it, :mad: time to update my network skills I think. ;)

I know someone who could sort it for me but I like learning. :D

You're obviously not trying hard enough.

I'm on Virgin and I'm still pirating more than Blackbeard.
 
You're a few years late ;). The fact that intelligence agencies target/infiltrate useful businesses/businessmen is very old, I used to post about it several years ago, back when it first came to light that the NSA/CIA were on an ongoing mission to infiltrate core IXP's and then to completely seize the internet.

OVH runs a fairly substantial European network spanning many major and minor IXP's even over deep ocean fibre back to East Coast USA. It's inevitable that he, and many like him, would be a prime target for coercion/infiltration/CT Nut theory/whatever people want to call it.

It is completely unclear what your point is. I don't think even you know what it is.
 
It is completely unclear what your point is. I don't think even you know what it is.
What's with the double standards? My post makes more of a point than your post.

What was the point of your post? "Sounds totally legit, guys."? Is that all you think about the article? Not exactly deep discussion is it?

Is that your low level insight into the article? And then when someone comes along to discuss the article you start crying about English that's too advanced for you and start crying about who knows what? I hope you are aware you have come across as an ignorant child, twice in this thread now.

I'm merely sharing my thoughts on the matter, don't start bringing personal issues into it. My point (just to reiterate to others) is that it is inevitable that key people which could assist in the seizure of the internet are going to be targeted. The point is for anyone who wants to continue the discussion of potential high level targets or motivate anyone who is able to discuss things to maybe share some knowledge or their ideas on the subject.

First you're crying about my use of the English language and now you still seem to have some sort of underlying issues. This isn't just your forum, I just quoted your news link to simply spark a discussion.

If you don't want to discuss something then don't, if you want to cry about personal issues and who knows what, and who's English is better then go sit in a corner. Man there are some real infants in GD, have the holidays started already?
 
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I was pointing out your child-like use of the Latin language before. Not your appalling use of English. ;)

By the way, posting this:

I'm merely sharing my thoughts on the matter, don't start bringing personal issues into it.

Right after this:
Is that your low level insight into the article? And then when someone comes along to discuss the article you start crying about English that's too advanced for you and start crying about who knows what? I hope you are aware you have come across as an ignorant child, twice in this thread now.

Is daft.
 
I was pointing out your child-like use of the Latin language before. Not your appalling use of English. ;)

By the way, posting this:



Right after this:


Is daft.

But you're the one still insisting on acting like a child, I'm not interested in low-level bickering, I'm interested in discussion and the sharing of ideas relating to the topic at hand, don't you understand how it is your instigation which leads me to retort at your level?

Do you not realise how many modern English words are basically derived from Latin? I'm not suddenly writing in Latin simply because I use a Latin word lmao. Still going on about language though. You seem to be displaying ignorance and child-like tendencies by the shedloads.
 
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And "rule" is the right word. The people in power today have much more absolute power than an early medieval monarch. An early medieval monarch's absolutist power was unenforceable and therefore far from absolute in reality. The power of the current authorities is practical and enforceable and restraints on it are increasingly just window-dressing without substance. For example, the IPA gives the government the right to lie in court and forbid their target's legal representatives from questioning the evidence. No doubt May et alia would prefer to do away with trials entirely to cut costs and remove any chance of an acquittal, but it's not certain that such a move would be allowed today. In years to come it probably will, but probably not right now. Such a move might allow the other party of authoritarians to get into power.

This is a really good post.

Totally agree about the meaning of "absolute power" and it reminds me of the so called "Rehabilitation of offenders act 1974" where - if you commit a minor offence and aren't even convicted and just cautioned, the government makes a point that after 6 years the caution is "spent" and no longer relevant, however it's total window dressing.

In reality, "spent" means nothing and in the vast majority of cases - that "spent" caution will remain on record until you're 100 years old, no matter how minor. If you want a job that requires SC, want to emigrate, want to do anything that requires a security check it's there - even if you weren't convicted.

On the face of things they make it sound as though "it's all forgotten" after 6 years, when in reality - nothing gets forgotten, it sticks with you forever and it sucks.

(I was cautioned for a minor drunken offence involving some shouting when I was 19 as a student - it's there until I'm 100 years old - it's ****** BS)

*sorry, just ranting* :)
 
Yet all you do is bicker about "low-level" things.

Crap. Now I realise I've been trolled.

You occasionally come into a discussion out of your depth, start bickering about English and low level off-topic things, I say stop bickering about off-topic/low-level things. Then you have the audacity to tell me I'm bickering about low-level things?

Amazing. :D I'm in absolute stitches here, well played, I do hope you're not actually delusional though that's pretty serious. :(
 
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