Is a 1080 really worth £200 more than a 1070?

Scania · 13 Dec 2016 at 23:47

I'm weighing up my next purchase, not bought a new GPU in years and deciding if I should go the whole hog and get a 1080 but can't justify to myself paying such a premium for not in the grand scheme of things such a huge jump in performance....

Looking at the cheapest respective 1070 and 1080's on OC/UK's site there's - give or take - £200 difference between the cheapest of each respective range which equates to roughly 40% difference in price for at best a 30% difference in performance.

Bearing in mind this is the price difference at the lowest end and it increases but not from what I can see exponentially with the performance then I'm left thinking the 1080's aren't worth it...

Or, am I just missing something?

Nasher · 14 Dec 2016 at 00:05

No.

But Nvidia think they can charge anything they like due to no competition at high end atm.

llamadal · 14 Dec 2016 at 00:17

The ti is just around the corner which will either be worth splashing the cash on or at the very least, likely to cause the 1080 price to drop a but, so I think it's worth holding out a little.

Scania · 14 Dec 2016 at 00:26

Nasher said:
No.

But Nvidia think they can charge anything they like due to no competition at high end atm.

Pretty much my take on things TBH, we (the GFX card market) desperately needs some competition to shake up the cosy monopoly and drive down prices.

llamadal said:
The ti is just around the corner which will either be worth splashing the cash on or at the very least, likely to cause the 1080 price to drop a but, so I think it's worth holding out a little.

I'm looking to buy in the new year and am hoping a ti 1080 launches soon, not that I'd buy one but I would like a 1080 over a 1070 which I'm leaning towards, I'd gladly pay ~£400 - £450 for a 1080 but am damned if I'll pay current prices, I'm hoping a ti launches and drives 1080's down to the £450 mark but won't hold my breath, as Nasher says Nvidia will carry on charging what they like so long as people are prepared to buy and given the lack of high end competition nothing realistically is going to change.

At least I'm in no rush, my 780ti is only really held back when I use my three monitors in surround @ 5760x1080, and when I want full eye candy I simply dial back to 1080p and it rocks,still.

My own fault really I guess, I was still happily rocking a GTX580 when I got my other screens and it's only since having surround and the resolution it runs at have I really felt the need to get the best from my rig.

Legend · 14 Dec 2016 at 00:42

llamadal said:
The ti is just around the corner which will either be worth splashing the cash on or at the very least, likely to cause the 1080 price to drop a but, so I think it's worth holding out a little.

I doubt it... we didn't see a drop in the 980 when the 980Ti came out, and Nvidia have since gone absolutely bonkers with pricing (coupled with Brexit and £ tanking against $), so I thoroughly expect the same scenario, if not worse. The 1080Ti is, I predict, all but certain to come in around the £800-900 mark, leaving 1080 prices unaffected, and it wouldn't surprise me if some AIB cards break the £1K barrier, which is sheer and utter madness... but this is the world we now live in. Oh, and people will still pay no matter what, that much IS guaranteed! They'll moan and cry, but just watch the owners thread steadily grow. :rolleyes:

jupiter_man · 14 Dec 2016 at 01:14

Legend said:
I doubt it... we didn't see a drop in the 980 when the 980Ti came out, and Nvidia have since gone absolutely bonkers with pricing (coupled with Brexit and £ tanking against $), so I thoroughly expect the same scenario, if not worse. The 1080Ti is, I predict, all but certain to come in around the £800-900 mark, leaving 1080 prices unaffected, and it wouldn't surprise me if some AIB cards break the £1K barrier, which is sheer and utter madness... but this is the world we now live in. Oh, and people will still pay no matter what, that much IS guaranteed! They'll moan and cry, but just watch the owners thread steadily grow.

True, especially AMD will not release their new card soon, that leaves a big gap for Nvidia to milk

Panos · 14 Dec 2016 at 01:18

Scania said:
Looking at the cheapest respective 1070 and 1080's on OC/UK's site there's - give or take - £200 difference between the cheapest of each respective range which equates to roughly 40% difference in price for at best a 30% difference in performance.

Bearing in mind this is the price difference at the lowest end and it increases but not from what I can see exponentially with the performance then I'm left thinking the 1080's aren't worth it...

Or, am I just missing something?

Nope. And if you play current games supporting CF, better deal is to grab 2 RX480s. Perf is better than the 1080, at much lower price.

Hybridtheory · 14 Dec 2016 at 01:34

Panos said:
Nope. And if you play current games supporting CF, better deal is to grab 2 RX480s. Perf is better than the 1080, at much lower price.

Any evidence for that ?

Crezzlin · 14 Dec 2016 at 01:38

nashathedog · 14 Dec 2016 at 02:32

Scania said:
Pretty much my take on things TBH, we (the GFX card market) desperately needs some competition to shake up the cosy monopoly and drive down prices.

I'm looking to buy in the new year and am hoping a ti 1080 launches soon, not that I'd buy one but I would like a 1080 over a 1070 which I'm leaning towards, I'd gladly pay ~£400 - £450 for a 1080 but am damned if I'll pay current prices, I'm hoping a ti launches and drives 1080's down to the £450 mark but won't hold my breath, as Nasher says Nvidia will carry on charging what they like so long as people are prepared to buy and given the lack of high end competition nothing realistically is going to change.

At least I'm in no rush, my 780ti is only really held back when I use my three monitors in surround @ 5760x1080, and when I want full eye candy I simply dial back to 1080p and it rocks,still.

My own fault really I guess, I was still happily rocking a GTX580 when I got my other screens and it's only since having surround and the resolution it runs at have I really felt the need to get the best from my rig.

Panos said:
Nope. And if you play current games supporting CF, better deal is to grab 2 RX480s. Perf is better than the 1080, at much lower price.

I don't understand why regulars on this forum (like yourself) continue to suggest Crossfire over a faster single gpu.
There's a few games that offer good CF and good scaling but compared to those that don't they're few and far between.
We get a steady stream of titles that lack mgpu support so it's pretty obvious that unless you are only ever going to play one or two specific titles you're going to regret going with a second card to save a few quid,

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7631/wtf-wrong-multi-gpu-support-games-days/index.html

This article is from 6 months back but we're still in pretty much the situation today, Hence why AMD were quick to point out that the Pro duo was not for gamers like us, and why Nvidia no longer have a dual card, Have dropped support on the 1060 all together. And blocked more than 2 cards for regular gaming on the gpu's that do still support Sli.

smilertoo · 14 Dec 2016 at 03:42

I refused to upgrade to this generations gpus from nvidia, i didn't want to encourage their lies and price rises.

Kaapstad · 14 Dec 2016 at 04:21

Scania said:
I'm weighing up my next purchase, not bought a new GPU in years and deciding if I should go the whole hog and get a 1080 but can't justify to myself paying such a premium for not in the grand scheme of things such a huge jump in performance....

Looking at the cheapest respective 1070 and 1080's on OC/UK's site there's - give or take - £200 difference between the cheapest of each respective range which equates to roughly 40% difference in price for at best a 30% difference in performance.

Bearing in mind this is the price difference at the lowest end and it increases but not from what I can see exponentially with the performance then I'm left thinking the 1080's aren't worth it...

Or, am I just missing something?

Bang for buck the 1070 is a lot better.

Having said that if you need more performance then the 1080 or Pascal Titan are the only way to go but they will cost an arm and a leg.

Kaapstad · 14 Dec 2016 at 04:29

nashathedog said:
I don't understand why regulars on this forum (like yourself) continue to suggest Crossfire over a faster single gpu.
There's a few games that offer good CF and good scaling but compared to those that don't they're few and far between.
We get a steady stream of titles that lack mgpu support so it's pretty obvious that unless you are only ever going to play one or two specific titles you're going to regret going with a second card to save a few quid,

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7631/wtf-wrong-multi-gpu-support-games-days/index.html

This article is from 6 months back but we're still in pretty much the situation today, Hence why AMD were quick to point out that the Pro duo was not for gamers like us, and why Nvidia no longer have a dual card, Have dropped support on the 1060 all together. And blocked more than 2 cards for regular gaming on the gpu's that do still support Sli.

CF is nice when it works but it can take ages to get drivers that support it.

I think I am one of the very few people who have used 4 way RX480s but it took AMD quite a while to get it working properly.

As for NVidia anything past 2 way SLI is too much trouble but I think DX12 has a lot to do with this.

mahius · 14 Dec 2016 at 06:57

No. And the 1070 isn't worth it's current price either. It should at least be south of the £400 mark, not north of it. Especially considering what 980ts were selling for not too long ago.

Lmg80 · 14 Dec 2016 at 07:47

Prices are only representative of the drop in sterling, hardware per-se seems to have shot up since Brexit weakened the pound. Maybe a coincidence, I recall looking at complete builds earlier in the year and versus now, same PC same site is circa £300 more.

Panos · 14 Dec 2016 at 07:56

Crezzlin said:
No

Eh?

Hybridtheory said:
Any evidence for that ?

Google search. But please bear in mind that the review are done back in July, before the big boost the RX480 got with the drivers over the last few months, and with reference overheating cards.

shamus21 · 14 Dec 2016 at 08:05

mahius said:
No. And the 1070 isn't worth it's current price either. It should at least be south of the £400 mark, not north of it. Especially considering what 980ts were selling for not too long ago.

Could not agree more with this comment.

beany_bot · 14 Dec 2016 at 08:08

Legend said:
I doubt it... we didn't see a drop in the 980 when the 980Ti came out, and Nvidia have since gone absolutely bonkers with pricing (coupled with Brexit and £ tanking against $), so I thoroughly expect the same scenario, if not worse. The 1080Ti is, I predict, all but certain to come in around the £800-900 mark, leaving 1080 prices unaffected, and it wouldn't surprise me if some AIB cards break the £1K barrier, which is sheer and utter madness... but this is the world we now live in. Oh, and people will still pay no matter what, that much IS guaranteed! They'll moan and cry, but just watch the owners thread steadily grow.

Patience is a virtue...

Cooper · 14 Dec 2016 at 08:08

Prices are only representative of the drop in sterling

Not true.

Irrespective of the exchange rate, Nvidia have shifted their prices up for the Pascal cards.

Even If sterling hadn't crashed you would have still been paying well over £500 for a 1080.

DarrenM343 · 14 Dec 2016 at 08:45

Scania said:
I'm weighing up my next purchase, not bought a new GPU in years and deciding if I should go the whole hog and get a 1080 but can't justify to myself paying such a premium for not in the grand scheme of things such a huge jump in performance....

Looking at the cheapest respective 1070 and 1080's on OC/UK's site there's - give or take - £200 difference between the cheapest of each respective range which equates to roughly 40% difference in price for at best a 30% difference in performance.

Bearing in mind this is the price difference at the lowest end and it increases but not from what I can see exponentially with the performance then I'm left thinking the 1080's aren't worth it...

Or, am I just missing something?

Since when has % pricing of anything been equal to the % change in performance ?

. I think a 40% increase in cost for 30% increase in performance is not bad especially considering the lack of competition. Reference to reference it's more like 50%+ (£399 for a 1070 vs £619 for a 1080).