All police to have degrees!

TS7 said:
At school, all the naughty kids or ones who just couldn't be bothered seemed to have the textbook response of 'I don't care about any of this anyway, I'm gonna join the police/army'.

Now, I never kept up with any of these people after school days, but if they've made it in to the police or army then it's pretty worrying.

Some sort of formal qualification to sieve said people out wouldn't be a bad thing. If you can't be bothered then a career in police should not be viewed as some sort of fall back option due to lack of barriers to entry. It should be the other way round.

E.g you want to be a Solicitor? You have to demonstrate 3 years of commitment completing a rigorous degree, followed by a 2 year training contract and even then you have no guarantees. You've spent 50k and put in countless hours of work and your life to prove you want that job. However you can be excelled in to sheer responsibility of a police officer (which is significant) simply by leaving school and meeting the very loose criteria and passing written tests? Yeah not everyone gets through but the fact is almost everyone can take a crack at the application. (Now I'm not saying you should have to do some 5 year course or spend 50k, it was an example of what it takes to get in to other important professions - and no the majority of solicitors don't earn big bucks either, I reckon police officers earn more than high street solicitors).
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whilst i understand your point, surely it stands that for those who can't be bothered with education there does need to be something for them to do? better police officers than the dole? at least they get the opportunity to do something good for society.

funny police officers get a lot of stick, but any i've met are pretty decent folk, the institution as a whole might be questionable but it's constituent parts arent so bad.
 
asim18 said:
:confused: Isn't that a bad thing?

I'd want down to earth and "real" police officers, not ones who have been completely brainwashed for 3 years by the same establishment who are trying to criminalise female ejaculation!
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I think a nice fine arts degree would be better, should provide a nice liberal soul with a complete lack of connection to the real world.
 
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TS7 said:
At school, all the naughty kids or ones who just couldn't be bothered seemed to have the textbook response of 'I don't care about any of this anyway, I'm gonna join the police/army'.

Now, I never kept up with any of these people after school days, but if they've made it in to the police or army then it's pretty worrying.

Some sort of formal qualification to sieve said people out wouldn't be a bad thing. If you can't be bothered then a career in police should not be viewed as some sort of fall back option due to lack of barriers to entry. It should be the other way round.

E.g you want to be a Solicitor? You have to demonstrate 3 years of commitment completing a rigorous degree, followed by a 2 year training contract and even then you have no guarantees. You've spent 50k and put in countless hours of work and your life to prove you want that job. However you can be excelled in to sheer responsibility of a police officer (which is significant) simply by leaving school and meeting the very loose criteria and passing written tests? Yeah not everyone gets through but the fact is almost everyone can take a crack at the application. (Now I'm not saying you should have to do some 5 year course or spend 50k, it was an example of what it takes to get in to other important professions - and no the majority of solicitors don't earn big bucks either, I reckon police officers earn more than high street solicitors).
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It's not about proving you want a job, it's about jobs requiring a specific skillset that a relevant degree provides. All we're doing with all these useless degrees is getting a lot of people in a lot of debt so the unemployment figures look a bit better.
 
I think having more graduates in the Police is a good thing, although it's worth noting that many police officers already have degrees.

The College of Policing isn't suggesting that everyone has a degree before entry.

Beyond 2020, there will be three available options:
a police constable degree apprenticeship paid for by the force, allowing individuals to obtain a policing degree and earn while they learn
a specific policing degree as seen in other professions
for graduates, a graduate programme which will also be paid for by the police force
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Policing is not all blue light driving, fights and arrests. That's an important part of what the public expects but only the tip of the iceberg on the bigger picture. Much of what the police do is writing reports and statements which need to be well written to be understood by all the people reading it, which ultimately results in convictions. Regardless of what degree you do, having higher academic experience works on improving this as well as critical analysing of information. These are core skills that any degree will give you and are also core investigative skills.

One area that many forces struggle to recruit in is detectives. DCs are always in demand for many reasons, but one of which is that many officers find it difficult and/or boring. I think that's a symptom of the way we recruit and train officers. The Met has a direct to DC route which I think is a good step forward on this.

The police is incredibly resistant to any sort of meaningful change, so most of the stuff that the CoP come out with is derided as them just trying to make a case for their existence but many of the changes really are breaking out of the collective group-think.

I would suggest people actually read the press release from the CoP before forming an opinion:
http://www.college.police.uk/What-w...icing-Education-Qualifications-Framework.aspx
 
asim18 said:
:confused: Isn't that a bad thing?

I'd want down to earth and "real" police officers, not ones who have been completely brainwashed for 3 years by the same establishment who are trying to criminalise female ejaculation!
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You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that police officers agree with all the laws they enforce. That's not their job.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that police officers agree with all the laws they enforce. That's not their job.
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:confused:

So you're saying an officer can select which law he enforces based on what he agrees with?


Of course it's their job!

Are you telling me that when I explain drug laws to an officer, and they understand and agree, that they will suddenly stop enforcing drugs laws?
 
asim18 said:
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So you're saying an officer can select which law he enforces based on what he agrees with?
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No, but you're saying that they'll be getting brainwashed which implies they will blindly agree with all the laws they're asked to enforce whereas in reality it makes absolutely no difference if they agree with them or not as they have to enforce them anyway.
 
asim18 said:
Are you telling me that when I explain drug laws to an officer, and they understand and agree, that they will suddenly stop enforcing drugs laws?
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You've clearly missed the point of my post but regardless, your interpretation of drug laws aren't anything they've not heard before.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
You've clearly missed the point of my post but regardless, your interpretation of drug laws aren't anything they've not heard before.
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How can I miss the point of the post?

"You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that police officers agree with all the laws they enforce. That's not their job. "

You tell me what the point of that post is then? Isn't it absolutely literal unless you're being cryptic?

You're telling me officers don't always agree with the laws they enforce. Do you really think that's difficult to understand, or you think I don't know that? Do you honestly think I don't know that police officers can be peados and into other criminality themselves? Your point is so basic it's unbelievable someone would even be making it!


My point is that this is what the problem is! Officers not agreeing with laws they enforce IS the problem from the government's perspective. And one which is going to be mitigated by brainwashing.

You cant be making new laws like the female ejaculation law when 50% of the police force thinks it's absolutely insane, you cant have an officer thinking the establishment is clearly a joke, that's why they need to do some more brainwashing now.

The female ejaculation thing (as well as other new obviously ridiculous laws) are simply being used to weed out the fully compliant officers from the question asking ones.
 
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asim18 said:
My point is that this is what the problem is! Officers not agreeing with laws they enforce IS the problem from the government's perspective. And one which is going to be mitigated by brainwashing.
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The point is it makes no difference if they agree or not as they enforce it anyway as that's their job. "Brainwashing" them into suddenly agreeing with all the laws they enforce is not going to change that, surely this isn't that hard to grasp.
Although it looks more like you're just using it as a reason for another of your "Anti government, police state" rants.
 
asim18 said:
You cant be making new laws like the female ejaculation law when 50% of the police force thinks it's absolutely insane, you cant have an officer thinking the establishment is clearly a joke, that's why they need to do some more brainwashing now.
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Yes, you can. Police officers have no influence over what laws are made (amendments to the Bail Act prove that), they just enforce what parliament approves as best they can. There is no brainwashing, indeed most police officers do not like much of what the government does, you just need to mention Theresa May to get everyone up on their soap boxes.

You think you know how the Police work, but you don't.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Yes, you can. Police officers have no influence over what laws are made (amendments to the Bail Act prove that), they just enforce what parliament approves as best they can. There is no brainwashing, indeed most police officers do not like much of what the government does, you just need to mention Theresa May to get everyone up on their soap boxes.

You think you know how the Police work, but you don't.
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How comes you're just saying little tidbits of completely obvious things?

"Police officers have no influence over what laws are made"

Did I say police officers make laws? :confused: Again you post an incredibly obvious thing just like you did 5 minutes ago when you said this: "You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that police officers agree with all the laws they enforce."

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's getting to a point where officers are becoming aware of the pointlessness of drug laws. Most officers know it's BS just to keep them in work. That's the problem! There needs to be a shift now.



"they just enforce what parliament approves as best they can."

Exactly. The best they can. Someone who thinks female ejaculation law is the best thing since sliced bread is going to do a better job at enforcing it than someone who thinks it a pointless law. You say the police force doesn't like Theresa May but then you refuse to believe Teresa May has a plan to change that by increasing compliance?

You cant deny that someone who actually believes the crap or are completely incapable of questioning it is better for the establishment than someone who's just doing it while knowing they're enforcing nonsense. With the increasing amount of stupid laws being passed, and the increasing "you just need to mention Theresa May to get everyone up on their soap boxes." is why they need to create a program which weeds out the fully compliant people who love Theresa May from people who just want a job while absolutely hating Theresa May.
 
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Burnsy2023 said:
Yes, you can. Police officers have no influence over what laws are made (amendments to the Bail Act prove that), they just enforce what parliament approves as best they can. There is no brainwashing, indeed most police officers do not like much of what the government does, you just need to mention Theresa May to get everyone up on their soap boxes.

You think you know how the Police work, but you don't.
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its like saying soldiers have to approve of the war they're in.

i think there are plenty of examples to prove that isn't true.

although i get what he's trying to get at, if the people and the police don't approve nor enforce a law, is it really a law?
 
 
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asim18 said:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hq3e2wQeApIC
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=332rAgAAQBAJ
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy...ce_officially_refuse_to_hire_applicants_with/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arthur-rizer/the-militarized-mentality_b_7462878.html
http://politicalblindspot.com/police-officially-refuse-to-hire-applicants-with-high-iq-scores/


Perhaps you could provide some sources which say Police officers are expected to be geniuses or genii. I do like to get my information from multiple sources, maybe my thoughts can be swayed.
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So you've posted some links to books that could say absolutely anything and some links relating to the US.

Top source material for the UK police force.
 
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