A GCSE varies due to grade and institution.
All police to have degrees!
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A GCSE varies due to grade and institution.
Wait, you're asking for statistics without providing any to counter that?.
Yes, I know people with film degree's (and further degree's) involved in the film/entertainment industry too.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....lm-studies-degree?client=ms-android-orange-gb
Suggests 5%. Pretty poor.
Over a third ended up in retail. Says it all really!
Erm yes and due to the candidate's ability... so what?
However the curriculum, the standard required to get a certain grade in a certain subject in a particular year... there is some variability between exam board but generally not too much. Degrees on the other hand vary greatly.
There are 5 GCSE exam boards in the UK, there are 154 institutions that can award degrees.
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Not sure how that disproves what you said? You said;
Except you provided a link showing film students getting employed, just some not within their degree field... so err clearly places will have them
.Yes, but students should learn transferable skills while at University
, a further skill set.Yes, but students should learn transferable skills while at University
You've mentioned that before but I don't put much faith in the idea that some generic skills will be gained from *any* degree at *any* institution that couldn't also be possessed by some students at A-Level or gained by some during their professional work after A-Level. If you're certain that there are certain skills that would be useful then you could test for them - ergo no need for the very crude and flawed filter of *any* degree based on the belief that some skills will have been acquired.
Not sure how that disproves what you said? You said;
Except you provided a link showing film students getting employed, just some not within their degree field... so err clearly places will have them
5%...you're defending 5%.
Great success!
Ergo; interviews are for starting the recruitment process to test if applicants have required skills set.
The majority of degree's teach transferable skills; I have not said employers only want degree holders, nor that University is the only way to attain these skills... So I'm not really sure why, or what you're posting for?
I said that often employers want graduates because they come with a skill set, that is the expectation, and that is why you have a recruitment process (obviously ignoring specialised degrees).
A level standard = / = University standard for the point about skills being learnt, there is a much higher standard.
I literally have no idea what point you're trying to make, sorry.
No...
Would you like me to quote what you said again; you said nobody else wants them, you literally provided evidence to dismiss that claim yourself...
.I said I also know people with degree's in film that work in the entertainment industry, as you know people without that work there.
So... you've disproved your own claim, while admitting people with degree's do get jobs in the film industry.
So why filter by degree then?
I think you'd need more than just interviews tbh...
That requiring *any* degree from *any* institution is a very unreliable and rather pointless filter.
No...
Would you like me to quote what you said again; you said nobody else wants them, you literally provided evidence to dismiss that claim yourself...
I said I also know people with degree's in film that work in the entertainment industry, as you know people without that work there.
So... you've disproved your own claim, while admitting people with degree's do get jobs in the film industry.
It's called hyperbole. Are you that literal? Clearly your degree didn't teach you those extra key skills!
I have said the interview is the start of the process of acquiring employees...
, of course you would have further levels of process.Why filter by anything?
I literally do not decide which employers decide to ask for a degree in their requirement; but the expectation is that graduates come with a skill set learnt at University, or the majority do.
Eh? No. If it were such a pointless filter employers would not ask for it, they do it because of an expectation of skill set, I have not said that a) it is impossible to require a similar skill set or through working experience, b) that every single student acquires them to the same standard, if at all.
There is variation in qualifications; be that GCSE, degree, et cetera...
The interview process is once again, a way of filtering and finding the correct employees.
.Sorry, you made claim - nobody wants film students, then promptly rebutted your own claim by posting a link showing film students being employed.
People clearly do want to employ them, oh right, of course it was hyperbole, yes of course...
ha.We're going round in circles, and I'm not actually sure what point either of you are trying to make. I think further education for Police officers is a good thing , and then said that degree holders often come with certain skill sets.
Degree holders often come with a higher expectation from employers because of transferable skills taught at University, I have not dealt in definitives; nor claimed that people that have not attended University cannot acquire those skills.
That not all students acquire those skills; and there should be measures to test this (the same applies for anyone with any educational certificate, you might have a E in English, but that is still a GCSE). There is, interviewing people is the start of the process (providing applicants meet the minimum requirements).
And something something, nobody employs film students ... except posting a link to disprove your own claim, regardless of how facetious.
Oh and Dowie felt the need to explain he is at a top ten University in the world.
, and then said that degree holders often come with certain skill sets.Degree holders often come with a higher expectation from employers because of transferable skills taught at University, I have not dealt in definitives; nor claimed that people that have not attended University cannot acquire those skills.
That not all students acquire those skills; and there should be measures to test this (the same applies for anyone with any educational certificate, you might have a E in English, but that is still a GCSE). There is, interviewing people is the start of the process (providing applicants meet the minimum requirements).
And something something, nobody employs film students ... except posting a link to disprove your own claim, regardless of how facetious.
Oh and Dowie felt the need to explain he is at a top ten University in the world.
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I've just given you examples of employers that don't - the armed forces, and two of the big four.
The police are supposed to represent a broad section of society and frankly a filter of *any* degree from *any* institution tells you very little about a candidate to the point where you may as well allow good A-Level candidates or those with some work experience to apply to join via that same route. The idea that all people who've completed any random bachelors degree from any of 154 institutions possess some 'transferable skills' that couldn't also be possessed by candidates without bachelors degrees is incredibly dubious.
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The police are not asking for graduates though?
(unless for specialised areas) The police are going to further educate their officers.Sigh. Nobody has claimed this.
The police are not asking for graduates though?
I'm referring to them filtering graduates through a different training scheme.
We're going round in circles, and I'm not actually sure what point either of you are trying to make. I think further education for Police officers is a good thing
The point I'm making is:
So why defend filtering on that basis then?
Supposedly, yes. Since you seem to be making broad claims that people are being anti degree in this thread I thought it would be worth pointing out that I'm not anti degree. And look at the post that came immediately after mine:
We're going round in circles, and I'm not actually sure what point either of you are trying to make. I think further education for Police officers is a good thing
I think you're failing to get people's point when they say things like "any degree from any institution is a pointless filter". Requiring a degree in electronic engineering is a useful filter when you're recruiting people to a company that designs electrical systems. Listing a degree in politics or history is a useful filter when hiring someone to do research in geopolitics. Requiring any degree from any institution is not a good filter. How would that degree in electronic engineering help someone be a better police officer? Before you try to contrive some answer realise that it's not a zero-sum game. That three years of study and debt accumulation comes at a cost that could have been directed at, for example, a police academy, a degree in psychology or even on the job training. Whatever, the point is that there are more valuable things that three years could be spent on than *any* degree from *any* institution. Because for many values of "any", it's not going to be worthwhile.
You say you think further education for police officers is a good thing. Is it a better thing than not restricting good applicants because they don't have an arbitrary degree? Is it a better thing than having applicants go through a police training school? These are the relevant questions because it's not just a case of saying "lets give all applicants a degree" and it happening. It requires a lot of time, a lot of money and