HMP Birmingham

More trustworthy than any of your 'sources' which tell you prisoners are allowed PS4's.

I know first hand at hmp Northumberland they had ps2's when they were modern.

I'm not sure about prisons, but I know in forensic mental health that the patients aren't allowed any devices that can go online. So I think a PS2 is ok as that was early 2000s but a PS3 or PS4 would be ruled out.
 
They're locked up 24/7. Did you even bother reading the article posted?

And we're supposed to give a crap?

If you don't want the hard,hard time, don't do the crime.

It's worked for me over the last 45 years, you don't fall into crime, right & wrong is clear even to the clueless, if you make that choice don't bleat if the punishment isn't pleasant.
 
I suppose we could always offer those dis-satisfied with their UK prison accommodation an exchange visit to a jail in the States...
 
Prison is where criminals ago, people who cant/wont fit into a society where tolerance is required.

GAS them all.
 
I find it sad that so many people hate prisoners and are prepared to treat them so poorly. It is a well known fact that a lot of prisoners have mental health issues and that could have some effect on their crime committing behaviour. I'm prepared to give some of them the benefit of the doubt.

Some are, of course, pretty dangerous people and should be locked up but you can't tar them all with the same brush.
 
I find it sad that so many people hate prisoners and are prepared to treat them so poorly. It is a well known fact that a lot of prisoners have mental health issues and that could have some effect on their crime committing behaviour. I'm prepared to give some of them the benefit of the doubt.

Some are, of course, pretty dangerous people and should be locked up but you can't tar them all with the same brush.

This is the way society is heading, less tolerant and quick to judge. Just remember 90% of prisoners are released back into society. Would be wise to help them adjust to it.
 
This is the way society is heading, less tolerant and quick to judge. Just remember 90% of prisoners are released back into society. Would be wise to help them adjust to it.

The sad thing is it is now considered "cool" to be an intolerant ****. If you show an ounce of compassion for someone you are instantly labelled a SJW and then they use that to discredit everything else you say. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

When did being compassionate become a bad thing? No wonder this country is going to the dogs. It is full of people who read The Daily Mail and think they are well informed on things.
 
The sad thing is it is now considered "cool" to be an intolerant ****. If you show an ounce of compassion for someone you are instantly labelled a SJW and then they use that to discredit everything else you say. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

When did being compassionate become a bad thing? No wonder this country is going to the dogs. It is full of people who read The Daily Mail and think they are well informed on things.

It's the victims I have compassion for. Not the criminals.
 
+1

Opinion has been stifled by progressive so called politics over the past 15 years. You cant talk about anything anymore without being a labelled bigot/racist/homophobic/Xenophobic and multitudes of other phobes.

Not saying any of the above are right/wrong but discussion has left the building or on its way out via the fire exit.
 
Thing is though, if you go down the US route of making prisons tough with not enough guards, no discipline etc then you'll end up with prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, Black Guerilla Family, La Eme, Nuestra Familia and others. This has a detrimental effect on society as a whole as it's the prison gangs on the inside that control crime on the outside. We already have a big, under-reported problem with jihadi gangs in our prison system. I don't want prisoners to be brutalised any more than they already are when they go in, I want prison guards to impose order and discipline so that prisoners are safe and have the opportunity to improve themselves and that gang activity is at least difficult.
 
It just goes to show how politically correct and idiotic our society has become "ohh the poor prisoners won't somebody please think of the prisoners" as far as I'm concerned **** them! if you can't do the time don't do the crime! Prison time should be bloody hard and and a derterant not a cake walk like it's currently is and the sooner you bleeding heart liberals understand that the better!
 
Shouldn't commit crime then should they?

You realise a lot of these people will be due for release eventually. Separating them out from society for a long period till they hopefully decide they never want to go back is one thing. Keeping them in a tiny tiny cage almost all day so they go nuts.... means when they get released they are far more likely to do something really bad.

Turning prisoners nuts because we want to save a bit of money has no long term benefits to the population. If you think that it's a good idea because they shouldn't have done the crime and that it's okay to effectively torture people they you have zero idea what you're talking about. Treating people that badly makes us no better than them but it also means much worse people coming out of jail back onto the streets when they finally do come out.
 
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