Alexander Blackman

Yas786 said:
Lol when you can't win a discussion...resort to petty insults.

Well done, would read again 10/10 for effort too.
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Its not an insult. How would someone sitting in mummies surrey house have an understanding of the sheer horrors of battlefield in the middle east?!

You train men to be KILLERS, and oh, they turn out to be killers.... what does anyone expect?

As far as I can work out, the dead guy was hardly innocent. Now if the soldiers had been taking turns "having a go" on the corpse, I could understand, but the guy was injured anyway, so he was likely not gonna make it, ended up doing him a favour... he gets his virgins quicker :)
 
coolsurfer said:
Pooh through his letter box?
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Dis86 said:
If we hadn't prosecuted the guy they'd have no evidence. The video was released as a result of him being charged. So...we gave them the evidence. If we don't do that then they have no evidence!
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True, but at the same time he murdered a guy in cold blood. You can't just ignore it because in this case others may or may not have seen it.
 
So next time they execute some British soldiers would everyone please just remember that they were trained to do their job and we should respect their job as a jihadist because its quite stressful being hellfire missiled by drones everyday.
 
SKYNEDD said:
Im just in disbelief that anyone could be so against OUR brave armed forces.

Who get paid poorly to PROTECT us in the event of something serious.

Lets hope those who are so dismissive of their incredible service are denied on the basis that perhaps a brave soldier read a post on OCUK and decided not to help :p :p

But seriously, people calling for military personell to be locked up should be locked up themselves. I will donate to his legal fund and get this guy home, where he belongs.
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No one is arguing against "our brave armed forces". People are arguing against the release of a murderer who ignored his own superiors orders and KNOWINGLY shot at close range a man that wasn't a threat.
 
SKYNEDD said:
Its not an insult. How would someone sitting in mummies surrey house have an understanding of the sheer horrors of battlefield in the middle east?!

You train men to be KILLERS, and oh, they turn out to be killers.... what does anyone expect?

As far as I can work out, the dead guy was hardly innocent. Now if the soldiers had been taking turns "having a go" on the corpse, I could understand, but the guy was injured anyway, so he was likely not gonna make it, ended up doing him a favour... he gets his virgins quicker :)
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And you understand the sheer horrors of the Middle East do you??

Really so armed forces personnel that are trained to kill the baddies are automatically branded killers?? Not sure if srs :/.

It does not matter one iota if he was innocent, what part of the rules of engagement do you not grasp?? A rule that was implemented within the Geneva convention, a rule that we and other nations agreed to?? Neither does it matter if he was going to survive or not, fact is that he knew the rules of engagement and went against them ie broke the law so should rightly be punished in accordance of the law.
 
SKYNEDD said:
Its not an insult. How would someone sitting in mummies surrey house have an understanding of the sheer horrors of battlefield in the middle east?!

You train men to be KILLERS, and oh, they turn out to be killers.... what does anyone expect?

As far as I can work out, the dead guy was hardly innocent. Now if the soldiers had been taking turns "having a go" on the corpse, I could understand, but the guy was injured anyway, so he was likely not gonna make it, ended up doing him a favour... he gets his virgins quicker :)
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Can you make a rational argument without casting widespread dispursions about people.

It makes any point you are trying to make rather farcical, just because people live in an afluent area and didn't serve in the forces doesn't mean they can't understand situations they haven't been in.

I've never been raped, but I can have an educated guess that it isn't pleasant.

Soldiers are taught about the Operational Law at Ph1 training, into Phase 2 and onwards through MATTs, Sgt Blackman knew what he was doing and knew it was wrong, he should be punished because of the actions he took.
 
Don't feed the SKYNEDD troll.
He's obviously made an account to upset and it's working in this thread.
Nobody has taken any notice of his nonsense in the cycling thread because it's too obvious.

SKYNEDD said:
I normally deliberately ride inches from them. One time one of the fools got so angry, he wobbled and fell off into the ditch!

I have to admit, I did LOL my breasts off when someone stuck all those tacks on the road and punctured all their tyres... ROFL.....Dinny get me wrang, I dont mind em using the roads, as long as they understand they are at the bottom of the pecking order of road users, just behind rats and hedgehogs.
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and so on .....

Not worth wasting your typing on.
 
If someone had just been shooting at me, trying to take my life then I honestly couldn't tell you how I'd react once I got up close and personal with them. I know what I should do but might be overcome by raw emotion and hatred.

So many messed up veterans on the fringes of society and people act as if they are alien. Nice one. Moral righteousness ticks boxes but the other side often doesn't play by the same rules. We're not fighting with swords and horses anymore.

I don't think anyone is really qualified to talk about this until they have been in the theatre of war. There are arguably mitigating circumstances here.

Yankee but appropriate..

 
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From this thread I don't think people are trying to claim they know that they would act calm and rational in the same situation, but instead that the law shouldn't be ignored just to appease the collective emotions of the "our brave troops" brigade.
 
Yes, just like how people are treated with dignity as bombs are dropped on them whilst in hospital. It's ridiculous.

Personally I'd hope for compassion as an injured combatant but wouldn't expect it.
 
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enkoda said:
One of the comments made by the judge was "the Afghan man, being an injured enemy combatant, was entitled to be treated with dignity, respect and humanity." Except, of course, while a helicopter gunship was trying to kill him and his accomplice by firing armour-piecing rounds at them. :rolleyes:
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I'm sure a good 10% of the forum just read that as "need bigger bullets" :D.


I cannot even pretend to know what sort of stresses/thoughts plague your mind in a situation like that but he broke the law he should be punished. Although potentially psychiatric help would also be a good idea along with prison.
 
"our brave troops" should really read something like "suspending all rationale for a second.."

I'm all up for defending our own country... Fighting in others for political reasons not so much. It's never so black and white.

Whenever I see a 'help for heroes' charity sign I can't help but feel slightly sick.
 
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The only thing "sick" about it, is the complete and utter failure of successive governments in treating ex serviceman the charity shouldn't even exist.

I did my term in the forces and got what i wanted it from it then walked away. Others are not so lucky due to the paths open to them.

This should have never been let of the military and YES they do/should operate outside of normal law when the need arrises. i.e On OPs yes use it is guidelines but do not drag soilders through the mud.

Its horrendous for the front-line guys on these missions as it is and what this chap did is a act of compassion for greater than i would have given the Jihadist.
 
I guess depending on your background, especially in the case of a military one, you're going to think differently. I do agree that the government have failed to provide proper treatment. But then I would also argue physical injury and recovery is probably too much of the focus, while mental trauma doesn't seem to get mentioned an awful lot. I fundamentally disagree with the military way of breaking someone down to build them back up again. However you want to approach it, it is ******* rank and makes reintegration almost impossible. If fortunate enough to escape with your life, most leave the military with some form of personality disorder - in a lot of cases untreatable.

Alexander Blackman was incapable of thinking indifferently. Can a brainwashed marine be pinned with all the blame? Of course not. When you see these guys filming what is essentially brutality and torture, I am sorry but you are definitely not a hero at this point. Signing yourself up to be duped into thinking this way isn't heroic either. To me this says inability or lack of self determination and worth. You can't fix these issues by masking them with training, therefor the basis of recruitment is often completely irresponsible.

Alexander Blackman shouldn't have been there in the first place, but then who is to blame for that? The government, the military or himself? Maybe a mixture of all three?

How do you draw the line between a murderer out on the streets with a knife, incapable of thinking for himself and a soldier out in the desert holding a rifle incapable of thinking for himself.

You can't, the whole thing is so double standard. Hence the sick feeling.
 
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