How do currant air coolers compare to water cooling

budget water cooling is a waste of money unless you're trying to squeeze that extra 100 mhz out, as you're just moving the heat from one place to another. Your gonna still have fan noise on the radiator
 
Here are my choices - I tried to keep in the same price range.
Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT - £52 was my first choice buy - Downside only 1 year warranty the rest have 3 to 6 years
Noctua NH-U14S - £52
Noctua NH-U12S - £52 I could get the C14 at £70 or D15 at £80
PH-TC14PE - £59.99
Cryorig H5 Universal £38.99 - I could get the R1 for £65
The down side with Cryorig, only 1-2 people sell them in the UK



Some nice budget range models
Be-Quiet Pure Rock - £30
Cryorig H7 - £32
Cryorig C7 - £28
Cooler Master Hyper 212X £25

The site i used for review
[URL="https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/?category=CPU+Coolers&manufacturer=&pp=25&order=date"]https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/?category=CPU+Coolers&manufacturer=&pp=25&order=date[/URL]
 
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Here are my choices - I tried to keep in the same price range.
Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT - £52 was my first choice buy - Downside only 1 year warranty the rest have 3 to 6 years
Noctua NH-U14S - £52
Noctua NH-U12S - £52 I could get the C14 at £70 or D15 at £80
PH-TC14PE - £59.99
Cryorig H5 Universal £38.99 - I could get the R1 for £65
The down side with Cryorig, only 1-2 people sell them in the UK



Some nice budget range models
Be-Quiet Pure Rock - £30
Cryorig H7 - £32
Cryorig C7 - £28
Cooler Master Hyper 212X £25

The site i used for review
[URL="https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/?category=CPU+Coolers&manufacturer=&pp=25&order=date"]https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/?category=CPU+Coolers&manufacturer=&pp=25&order=date[/URL]
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I've been using Thermalright coolers for over 10 years with no failures. I changed a few fans .. not because they went bad but because I wanted to use others. In other words don't worry about the warranty. It's a non-issue. I've never heard of a Thermalright cooler failing and rarely a fan either .. and none in the first 3 or 4 years.
NH-U14S is good if you don't mind the colors.
NH-U12S is over is grossly overpriced for what it is.
H5 is good value, but doesn't cool as well as U14, Le Grand Macho, PH-TC14PE, etc.
 
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Which one of these 4 would you choose or would it not matter ?

Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT
Noctua NH-U14S
PH-TC14PE
Cryorig R1

Unless you have another option ?



also what do you think of the Raijintek Themis and Raijintek Themis eve ?
 
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Any one of them is good. Obviously the Le Grand Macho is biggest and NH-U14S is smallest, but all have similar cooling. Do not believe review temps unless they are using cooler intake air temp. Most use room ambient while testing in a case .. which is like monitoring the air temp in your lounge to see how hot it is in kitchen while cooking Xmas dinner. :rolleyes: Air temp going into cooler inside a case changes depending on what cooler is being used and what fan speeds are .. making cooler intake air temp from 2-5c warmer to 15-20c above room ambient. Even open bench test stations often have 2-5c warmer air going into cooler than room ambient because of body heat, PSU heat, lighting heat, GPU heat, etc. warming the air in that area of room. ;)

Have you looked at TRUE Spirit 140 Power? Extremely good cooler and should easily fit on your motherboard and in your case
 
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No, I've not looked at the TRUE Spirit 140 Power, I've only had a look at the few which got recommended online.


edit: I've Just had a look a the True Spirit 140 it looks like a good heatsink, I'm still not 100% sure on my choice yet but I've added it to the top of my list.



Have you tested the Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 Direct yet?

What is the difference between the TRUE Spirit 140 power, TRUE Spirit 140 Direct and the TRUE Spirit 140BW Rev. A ??
 
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If you could give me a little more advice.

I wanted to try and keep the price around £55 just to keep my comparison fair but I dont mind paying a little more for something good.

I'm wanting a quite system with good temps, I'm also hoping whatever I choose I could use for my next build hopefully Q1 2017 next gen AMD or Intel.

Here is my list, with current prices.
Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 Power - £50
Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT - £52
Noctua NH-U14S - £52
Noctua NH-D14 - £59.99
PH-TC14PE - £59.99
Cryorig R1 - £65
 
TRUE Spirit 140 Power is a couple degrees cooler than NH-D14 and it's TY-147A fan is very quiet. Choice of motherboard needs to have at least 78mm center CPU to first PCIe socket to be used.
This testing was on an i7 920 @ 4.3GHz using air temp going into cooler
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TRUE Spirit 140 rev.A is equally as good in normal use, but is a degree or two warmer at extreme overclock/heat. Advantage of rev.A is it is not as tall and has offset base so is 69mm center CPU toward PCIe sockets and 165mm tall compared to Power being 78mm center CPU toward PCIe sockets and 171mm tall.

TRUE Spirit Direct is quite good for a smaller lower cost cooler. Macho Direct is same basic design with different pipe shape and finpack. Both were developed for people who needed good cooling in smaller size at a more affordable price.

Le Grand Macho is biggest I know of;150x124.5x159mm (WxDxH) with base offset both to side and back. It's fan is also very quiet and
 
I'm assuming your recommendation is TRUE Spirit 140 Power ?

Will it be fine on my sabertooth 990fx rev 2.0 ?
 
At a glance it appears obvious that Saberbooth 990FX Rev. 2.0 has about 4" center CPU toward PCIe socket, but I don't have on to measure so don't know for sure. I'm sure you are capable of looking and being able to know if you have 78-80mm from PCIe socket / GPU to center of CPU.
 
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At a glance it appears obvious that Saberbooth 990FX Rev. 2.0 has about 4" center CPU toward PCIe socket, but I don't have on to measure so don't know for sure. I'm sure you are capable of looking and being able to know if you have 78-80mm from PCIe socket / GPU to center of CPU.
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Thanks, I think ill be going for the Thermalright 140.
 
After having issues finding some who sells the TRUE Spirit 140 I need to have another look at my options, most companies either don't sell thermalright, don't sell thermalright True Spirit 140 or discontinued selling them and the ones ive found that sells them ive never heard of them.

I thought Thermalright would have more suppliers by now.


So back to square 1, The NH-U14S I could live with the colour, Im assuming spraying the fan would be bad?
how does these compare to the True spirit 140?
Noctua NH-U14S
PH-TC14PE

Also what are the bad points of a closed loop?

I was also considering the cooler master seidon 240v you have any review on this do you ?


also whatever I choose I will be using it to overcover.
 
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I wouldn't bother spraying it, something like a noctua will be very lightly built and balanced, so coating it in paint could unbalance the blades leading to shorter lifespan and possibly more noise which kinda defeats the object for something that's designed for longevity and quietness. Plus they are pretty expensive as fans go so I wouldn't want to compromise its performance. It would make more sense to buy a cheaper cooler in a colour you prefer.
 
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After having issues finding some who sells the TRUE Spirit 140 I need to have another look at my options, most companies either don't sell thermalright, don't sell thermalright True Spirit 140 or discontinued selling them and the ones ive found that sells them ive never heard of them.

I thought Thermalright would have more suppliers by now.


So back to square 1, The NH-U14S I could live with the colour, Im assuming spraying the fan would be bad?
how does these compare to the True spirit 140?
Noctua NH-U14S
PH-TC14PE

Also what are the bad points of a closed loop?

I was also considering the cooler master seidon 240v you have any review on this do you ?


also whatever I choose I will be using it to overcover.
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With CLCs there are no good point, there are only bad points. :p
They cost more, make more noise, don't last as long, don't cool any better. at least not at same noise levels, and when goes wrong it's almost always the pump .. meaning your system is unusable until you replace the CLC .. way more expensive then just a fan .. which is the only thing that can fail on an air cooler .. and systems still run at low load with air cooler .. plus any fan can be used to keep system working until suitable replacement arrives.
 
I know both NH-U14S and the true spirit come with one fan but Would I see any benefit if I was to use a 2 fan setup (if I have space)
 
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I know both NH-U14S and the true spirit come with one fan but Would I see any benefit if I was to use a 2 fan setup (if I have space)
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The difference between 1x and 2x fans is a couple degrees at most. TRUE Spirit 140 Power with 1x versus 2x TY-143 fans is 1.6c cooler at 1200rpm and 2.5 cooler at 2500rpm on an i7 920 @ 4.3 GHz monitoring actual air temp of air going into cooler. At 1200rpm noise is loud enough to know fans running fast and system is working hard, at 2500rpm they are very loud .. as is expected .. about 6-8 times as loud as at 1200rpm. While the difference in cooling between 1200rpm and 2500rpm with 1x fan is is 8.4c, with 2x fans it is 9.3c. But to me it's not worth the added noise.

I ran a red PH-TC14PE with 2x TY-143 fan on i7 920 @ 4.2GHz. With case airflow setup so cooler intake air temp was never more than 2-3c above room ambient they rarely ran above 1200rpm @ 65c, even in extreme hot weather at full load it was 1350rpm @ 68c. If I unplugged the cooler fans at 100% load it took about 7 minutes for CPU to reach 85c which is when I would plug them back in, they would run full 2500rpm for about 2 minutes and be back down to the 1200rpm in another 3-4 minutes.

Do keep in mind this was with CPU running 100% the entire time with case fans speed controlled by CPU temp too, Case airflow was why it took so long for CPU temp to climb to 85c even with no fans running on CPU cooler. ;)
 
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