The Russians hacking the US

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White House announces retaliation against Russia: Sanctions, ejecting diplomats

I'm aware there's a thread on this but I pose the question: Where does the US government and media alike get this rubbish from? Which analyst within the security services comes to the conclusion that Russia has hacked the US polls and which evidence, if any?

Also, given there's an abundance of techies here, I'd like to understand the technicalities of this; how can a government body in Russia find, hack into the network of and manipulate poll results from the motherland? I haven't looked into this too deeply but isn't it a manual counting exercise, every town/state have independent systems submitting results?

I remember reading an article in 2014 when The Interview movie was released. Sony got hacked - what was the immediate reaction? North Korea did it! Ok... I won't even start on this one as it was eventually found out to be rubbish, I believe and carried out by disgruntled employees.

I thought this was worth a discussion, as I said given it's a board of techies and I'm seeing 'we've been hacked by the Russians' more and more in the headlines.
 
A kid in his bedroom could 'hack' just as sophisticatedly as a Government, well the Google hack years ago was very clever. Just a hunch but I would imagine there is something in it, the Democrats/NSA know some piece of information that they are keeping to themselves I would imagine.

My guess is that the KGB paid some independent hacker to hack the DNP servers.

Here is an example from the past, this guy was paid by the KGB to hack, also died in very suspicious circumstances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Koch_(hacker) <- need to add an extra ) the URL.

See also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo's_Egg
 
The administration described Russia's involvement as "Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities"

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"Russia's cyberactivities were intended to influence the election, erode faith in US democratic institutions, sow doubt about the integrity of our electoral process, and undermine confidence in the institutions of the US government," a White House statement said. "These actions are unacceptable and will not be tolerated."
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It sounds like they're just blaming Russian 'propaganda' rather than hacking? is it really any worse than Obama coming over and telling us we should stay in the EU and that we'll be put at the back of the queue for a trade deal during our independence referendum?
 
They must have something concrete, there is no way these steps would have been taken based on a hunch. There is nothing to gain in return, there is no conspiracy to invade a country for oil under "WMD". The US is not going to go invading Russia any time soon or ever so they must have something.

Of course the critic will say, why don't you release it then. The problem is that people will believe anything and also disprove anything. Some people think 911 was created by the US government. Some people believe the moon landing never happened and there are people who believe the Holocaust never took place.
 
I've always wondered how they "trace" these hacks.

What exactly gives the impression its the Russians?

Code style? Possible to emulate.
Method/vector? Possible to emulate.
IP? O we got them here...

Short of them writing the CSGO stereotype in a document along with a ID and photo of the hacker posing outside Moscow with Putin I can't imagine how they can remotely guess at who it is. I guess this should also be accompanied by Putin releasing a statement saying "Yeah we did it".
 
Mynight said:
I've always wondered how they "trace" these hacks.

What exactly gives the impression its the Russians?

Code style? Possible to emulate.
Method/vector? Possible to emulate.
IP? O we got them here...

Short of them writing the CSGO stereotype in a document along with a ID and photo of the hacker posing outside Moscow with Putin I can't imagine how they can remotely guess at who it is. I guess this should also be accompanied by Putin releasing a statement saying "Yeah we did it".
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Pretty much, to properly identify an attack you need to monitor it in progress.

That said fireeye/Mandiant is as reputable of a source as they come, so I'm inclined to believe them. I've only seen examples of China's nation level attacks personally, but they can contain the sort of errors that the article describes and calls sloppy.

Other thing to note is that pretty much at of the cyber criminals in Russia operate with a level of Kremlin permission. Basically that it is ok to attack other countries, but leave Russian institutions alone. I've seen no evidence at all that this was actually directed by the Russian gov.
 
I don't think anyone is suggesting that Russia "hacked" the actual vote, rather used subversion and "hacking" to influence the vote.
 
Amp34 said:
I don't think anyone is suggesting that Russia "hacked" the actual vote, rather used subversion and "hacking" to influence the vote.
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I could literally say "vote for sanders" and thats subversion (or atleast attempted) of the vote.

The US has an axe to grind with Russia for being in the way of their amazing American ideal of the world.
 
Wikileaks might as well be ran by the Kremlin at this point, everything published by them is related to a western power, and shocker after the DNC was hacked, they were the ones who were provided with the data.
 
It's hard to believe that anyone would want to go into the military at times when they could be sent to their capture, torture and death in illegal wars for our leaders. Maybe they don't have other options or fully click as to what could happen.
 
StriderX said:
I could literally say "vote for sanders" and thats subversion (or atleast attempted) of the vote.

The US has an axe to grind with Russia for being in the way of their amazing American ideal of the world.
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Saying "vote for Sanders" is a little different to leaking confidential emails gained through illegal means involving one of the presidential nominees...

In the end there wasn't really anything juicy in them, but you can't say it wasn't an attempt to influence the election.

The reality is I'm sure both sides (Russia and the US) are as bad as each other, but let's at least try and do logical comparisons.
 
Wow that thread title, they didn't hack the US.

They allegedly tried to influence the outcome of the election, that's why they are annoyed with Russia and doing these sanctions.

They obviously have enough proof of this otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.
 
Of course the Americans would not think of hacking oh right they did, the German Chancellor's phone was hacked by the yanks I believe. I would imagine the Americans spend billions on hacking friend and foe alike.
 
I suspect the reason for not revealing how they know this is to protect their source(s). It's usually the case, if you reveal your method of collect then you scupper future capability because the enemy will easily develop counter effects.
 
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