What are these toilets called OR what can I do about it?

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After much success with our upstairs bathroom (https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29624716&postcount=10) we're now tackling the downstairs shower room.

We've ripped everything out but this was it on day one when we moved in:
https://theta360.com/s/ou5QSwdkACKDzQ57pqi58EsOu

My problem with the room is the toilet, and that "backbox" behind it.

At first I assumed it covered some waste pipework, but having ripped the entire room out it's now clear that it was simply there to allow the toilet to be placed against a wall, as the route out for the waste is directly into the floor, into a cast iron pipe which is positioned away from the wall.

I hate those boxes behind toilets and want to get rid, or reduce, but...

1) I don't think I want to move the cast iron waste and while I've yet to take up the floor I assume there's a reason it's in a super stupid position (like a floor joist)

2) Don't know what toilets that connect to a soil pipe in the floor are called - I'm having trouble finding toilets that would work. (EDIT: They're called s-trap toilets/pans - still looking for bright ideas to avoid a box though!)

So, any bright ideas? Essentially I want the room to just be a square. All nice and neat, no random / unnecessary outcrops (like the small box that runs up the wall from the sink - so any suggestions would be appreciated!
 
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Sorry, I know what the pipe is called, I don't know how to search for toilets that connect to ones in the floor. Like a specific category for them?
 
Just leave the pipe uncovered and place a foot hole either side, tell visitors you liked the ones in India so much you thought you'd relive the magic ;)
 
You joke, but this is how we're currently using it...

EDIT: S-Trap toilets/pans! GAWD! I've honestly been looking for this for 2 or 3 months!
 
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If you don't want to move the pipe, and you don't want a box on the back, then your other option is to stud the entire wall. You'll not really lose much, 6" or so, and it would be flat.
 
cheesyboy said:
If you don't want to move the pipe, and you don't want a box on the back, then your other option is to stud the entire wall. You'll not really lose much, 6" or so, and it would be flat.
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Yeah, the other half doesn't understand it but it's seriously the route I'm considering.
 
If you're feeling clever, and if it doesn't disrupt the design, then you could install recessed shelves or a cabinet into the wall.
 
thinking slightly outside the box... why not build the bulkhead full height, use a toilet with a concealed cistern (could even do a wall hung wc) then put some inset shelves or a cupboard into the space above?
I've done this a couple of times when we've had to hide pipes
 
Yeah, cheers guys - exactly the kind of thinking I needed :)

Wall hung would be a little impractical however as the toilet would end up being half way into the middle of the room given the wall would have to cover the pipe! :D
 
looking at it again, are you replacing the shower/tray etc too?
Would build up the bulkhead and use for storage and then go for a wall hung whb instead of the cupboard affair you have going on there!
 
Yeah, the room has been gutted. Literally an empty box (with no walls even!) at the moment.

Yeah, that's an option. It is just a 2nd toilet used by guests, all the bedrooms are upstairs.
 
Ok, this is still managing to do my nut in.

Got home and measured it, it's 300mm from the wall the the middle of the soil pipe. Done so exactly I feel it's been positioned there for a previous toilet (i.e. prior to the one that they bodged in place)

Regardless, with my new found enthusiasm I'm all clued up on the terminology, HOWEVER just because I know what I need isn't making it easy to find!

It's like looking for a cupboard based on the "length of handle". All the technical diagrams will likely include this information, but it's impossible to search or filter on this information!

AMAZINGLY however, I've found this website that does in fact let me search for: "S Trap offset" - i.e. a toilet with an s-trap and the distance this trap can attach to the soil pipe away from the wall.

http://modecordesignsolutions-toiletsuites.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/toilets-s-trap-setout-260mm.html - brilliant! But it's listing Australian suppliers! ARG! Plus it seems like most of the modern ones we like (this kind of thing http://modecordesignsolutions-toile.../10/rak-infinity-wall-faced-toilet-suite.html) are discontinued regardless.

Anyone able to help narrow my searches to at least stuff from the UK?
 
Would it not just be best to remove the existing wall and put up a new stud wall?

I moved a much bigger wall in my house and it took a day and a half tops (probably less without all the tea breaks).

Wouldn't cost much either.
 
If you pay the postage I'll send you one over from Canada... :p

They are all like that here. Odd to see one in the UK though.

(Yes, this post is useless) :p
 
jpaul said:
can you buy a toilet pan with a vertical outlet like this
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Yes, there are, "vertical soil pipe" I gather.

The problem is finding one with a 300mm offset (actually, it's probably going to be 290mm as we need to plasterboard and just paint that wall...

Currently it's a bit of a shell :)

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You may not find one. Again if it's anything like over here the rough in location is 300mm from the wall, but most toilets are in the region of 250mm - so you end up with a gap between the back of the toilet and the wall.
 
the_r_sole said:
thinking slightly outside the box... why not build the bulkhead full height, use a toilet with a concealed cistern (could even do a wall hung wc) then put some inset shelves or a cupboard into the space above?
I've done this a couple of times when we've had to hide pipes
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I'm doing my bathroom up in the next month or so, and spoke to the wife about doing this very thing only last night !
Do you have any pictures that I could show her ?:)
 
the_r_sole said:
thinking slightly outside the box... why not build the bulkhead full height, use a toilet with a concealed cistern (could even do a wall hung wc) then put some inset shelves or a cupboard into the space above?
I've done this a couple of times when we've had to hide pipes
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That's what I was going to post. Would look great if fitted properly in relation to the shower.

Not sure what you meant Roy about not being able to have a wall hung toilet. They're great if you can get them as they're a) fashionable and look cool and b) very practical as there's no dirt trap at the bottom.

Regards the cast iron soil pipe, I strongly recommend that you consider replacing it all with plastic. 2 reasons:

- It might allow you a better waste configuration
- Cast iron is likely to be old and will eventually cause maintenance issues. While it's all ripped out, I'd be changing that if only for peace of mind.
 
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