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Give it a year and Trump supporters will somehow pin those achievements on The Donald.
Donald Trump is 'gaslighting' all of us
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Give it a year and Trump supporters will somehow pin those achievements on The Donald.
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Same way the pin the financial crash and its effects on Obama.
I find American politics is so similar to schoolyard politics. Name calling, slandering, blatant lies, the same regurgitated one liners. Yes we have that to an extent but at least there is some subtlety and accountability for the politicians willing to push boundaries. Some of the stuff we saw go on in the election campaign would have been enough to end the career of politicians had they been over here.
Tbf UK politics is no different.
He didn't exactly get rid of Bin Laden, the intelligence people did, he would have been told this and said ok go for it, send in the special forces and then sat around a table and had his photo taken.
Trump is not gaslightning us, he is a bit of a cretin with a huge ego, the mess he creates isn't part of an elaborate plan, it's just who he is.
The main question is who will influence him the most. If it's someone like Bannon we are in for a (literally) hell ofa ride. But I think his kids n mainstream Republicans will be the main source of influence which will make his term a typical GOP presidency, flavoured with Twitter wars.
The main question is who will influence him the most. If it's someone like Bannon we are in for a (literally) hell ofa ride. But I think his kids n mainstream Republicans will be the main source of influence which will make his term a typical GOP presidency, flavoured with Twitter wars.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure he personally made the decision to go in on the ground, rather than other options that were suggested such as bombing it to high-heaven etc. He was correct in that it was absolutely critical to prove it was Bin Laden. A burnt out corpse wouldn't do.
You could say that about all the President's decisions, you could say that about any CEO of any company. It doesn't take away the fact that the President is in charge, takes credit for the successes, and takes the flack for the failures. It was his intelligence teams (presumably run by people he appointed) that did the legwork and he is allowed as President to take credit for it.
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Of course it is. You think Farage can get away with practising wrestling moves on actors dressed as stereotypical immigrants or saying that women who get abortions should face criminal charges?
There are literately dozens of examples during the campaign that would have been pretty hairy if it was a UK politician. The Americans also seem to eat up whatever crap their politician of choice says, here people are generally sceptical of all politicians and very few are glorified.
So many lies during the referendum campaigns that were eaten hook line and sinker.
And as for Farage? Well he sells people lies every time he opens his mouth, and people love him for it.
It's easier if you pick out specific things he's said and tell us why it's a lie, rather than just use a sweeping generalisation.
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Anyone remember the big red bus? 
I think you need to look up the definition of genocide. Also I seem the recall the invasion of Iraq being under a different administration. And Assad is responsible for orders of magnitude more deaths in Syria than all other actors combined. He's the real deal.
And how is Hilary Clinton responsible for child abortions (even if you do consider that to be genocide)?
Anyone remember the big red bus?
You do know the £350m figure was taken from the governments own figures, and also had nothing to do with Farage as he wasn't part of the official leave campaign
Just be thankful he is not charging Hillary for adult abortions too, she would be in a lot of trouble then!
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Trump doesn't seem very sane to me, as President I think he will be a danger to the planet!
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Lies were said in the referendum but it was all very grey in comparison to the US elections. Yes people ate it up and i said at the time it makes UK politics look like its growing ever closer to the US style of politics.
Like i said, no politician over here can get away with the stuff Trump got away with and come out with a job, let alone THE job. It speaks volumes about their voter base more than it does about their leaders.
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Thing is - pretty much anyone else wouldn't get away with it in the US either - I don't think Trump would get away with it quite as much here but Trump would probably get away with a lot of it here as well - almost no one else would. Kind of like with Boris Johnstone - no one else would get away with half of what he has done and still be in politics.
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A CEO gets credit for the direction he takes a new company. If Apple started making cars next year, the new CEO would get credit for making them if they sell well and the blame if they sell poorly. The new CEO doesn't get credit for the company selling Ipads, any CEO would continue selling a high profit item that was made under previous CEOs.
The US was after Bin Laden since long before Obama took charge, there was zero chance any other president wouldn't have done the same thing. I find it hard to give him credit for getting rid of Bin Laden personally as it wasn't him that found him, it wasn't his grand plan to stop terrorism that he had the idea to go find Bin Laden, it was just inevitable and something attempting to be done long before he was around.
AS for the affordable health care act... meh. Long term it's still potentially a disaster, short term it isn't looking great. Ultimately if 2/3rd of the country is insured and then the insurance companies bump up medical costs, that 1/3rd will never get onboard with insurance. By making it mandatory to some companies, by getting everyone onboard... then bumping up the prices, you get to screw everyone instead of 2/3rds of the country. TO me Obama care looks like it got everyone on the same page before a LOT of drugs costs have gone insane. Insurance companies and drug companies are making a killing, the government is subsidising the cost which just costs the people more in tax, so they aren't really getting free health care, they are just getting increased tax spending on health care.
I don't think Obama has done badly, I don't think he's done brilliantly, he's filled almost none of his campaign promises or goals and he hasn't made real ground breaking changes in the country.
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Of course the current CEO of Apple takes credit for ipads, because they are refreshed almost every year, bring out different models etc. If they stop selling it's his fault, if they keep selling he's doing well. I can't think of comparing it any other way. If a company fails, do they fire all the middle-managers because they're the ones on the ground doing the legwork? No. The shareholders fire the CEO. 
Sorry, but to argue Obama can't take any credit for killing Bin Laden is just nonsense. I won't waste my time trying to argue it any other way.
Sorry, but to argue Obama can't take any credit for killing Bin Laden is just nonsense. I won't waste my time trying to argue it any other way.If I was Obama I'd be signing an executive order to ensure every new President has deep psychological testing before they can swear the oath.Trump doesn't seem very sane to me, as President I think he will be a danger to the planet!
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