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First Intel Processor with AMD Radeon Graphics Within 2017

dbmzk1 said:
AMD don't make chips.
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Didn't say they were making chips, I said they were selling chips.

What the OP suggests is that AMD won't be handing over their IP for Intel to manufacture chips based on AMD tech. Instead AMD will have the chips fabbed at Glo-Fo/TSMC as usual and hand the finished article over to Intel to integrate on package. Makes sense as I doubt AMD would hand over their GFX tech to their biggest CPU competitor.

Having said that combining a CPU and GPU seperately on one package is not a particularly cheap or efficient way of making APUs.
 
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Freddie1980 said:
How much will AMD make per sale of an Intel chip? A few cents per unit going by what ARM gets when they licence their I.P. The return AMD will make won't make up for sacrificing there biggest and only technical advantage they have over their competitors IMO.
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AMD will be making a profit you can be sure of that.
 
Tute said:
I'm shocked this hasn't been done already, it'd be a great way to gain an advantage over nVidia and shift some AMD processors at the same time.
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Same here, you'd think that if it was possible it would have been done by now, It'd be great if it was one of undisclosed features for Ryzen apu's.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up a specific project, like Apple say we're not buying any more Intel chips with intel igpu. THey've used AMD only for add in cards for a while, their professional cards use AMD, that means most of their work accelerating software for gpu is done with AMD in mind currently. So maybe they basically demanded Intel use AMD GPUs for a specific line of chips solely for Apple, in which AMD/Apple can work together on the drivers.

There are rumours of Apple pushing towards their own ARM chips for desktop/professional products but that is probably some time away so this could be a stop gap measure, next few years of Intel CPU + AMD GPU. Could also be a stopgap till a year or two from now where they go AMD APU in laptops and AMD CPU + discrete gpu in some desktop and professional.


Either way, it's a win for AMD because even if AMD does amazingly well with Zen, Intel will still have the majority of the marketshare, so if you can profit from a bunch of Intel sales as well it's win win for AMD.

If you think about it solely as giving Intel uses the option for an AMD gpu means someone won't buy an Zen APU, then it would be bad, but if you think about it like AMD can win say 15-20% of the marketshare then also maybe have AMD gpus on Intel chips in 10% of the rest, that is still a huge amount of extra chips being shipped... it also means support for AMD in a whole lot more systems.

Will be interesting to see where these cpu + on package GPUs might end up, also assuming the rumour is true. Though one of the sources is generally pretty accurate and the other is, a bit of a **** but wouldn't often stake his reputation on such a big incorrect claim.
 
Silent_Scone said:
I can't even comprehend how they think this is coming in 2017.
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Take a Intel chip, put it on the same organic packaging as a RX460.... and done. This isn't the most complex thing in the world to get done. They aren't talking about an on die gpu, but on package, meaning two separate chips and putting them together on a package, you would need to design the packaging and that is it.

However, because the news/leak is coming out now, wouldn't mean Intel may have made this deal with AMD 3 years ago.

I can't even comprehend how you think it can't happen this year, what makes it seem impossible exactly?
 
Minstadave said:
Now they're handing their only real trump card to Intel, just as they are hopefully going to have a competitive CPU architecture.
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Because rather than using one part of the business to prop up the other part, they are running them as separate divisions (e.g. Radeon Technologies Group).

RTG seems to be injecting AMD with some new blood and new thinking - that hopefully gives AMD the kick that it needs. If licensing tech to Intel gives a better return than actually using the tech internally via APUs, then so be it. It's a different approach, that has different risks, but it likely has more options e.g. if AMDs CPU division isn't particularly successful going forwards.
 
Armageus said:
Because rather than using one part of the business to prop up the other part, they are running them as separate divisions (e.g. Radeon Technologies Group).

RTG seems to be injecting AMD with some new blood and new thinking - that hopefully gives AMD the kick that it needs. If licensing tech to Intel gives a better return than actually using the tech internally via APUs, then so be it. It's a different approach, that has different risks, but it likely has more options e.g. if AMDs CPU division isn't particularly successful going forwards.
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Agreed. AMD need the money and if this makes them more overall then why not?
 
If AMD gain market-share from Intel with Zen and Zen APU's AMD will be in a better position than they are now.

If AMD don't gain any market-share from Intel AMD will be in a better position than they are now.

This is a good move, and for Intel too because AMD's GPU tech is lets face it far better than Intel's.
 
Armageus said:
Because rather than using one part of the business to prop up the other part, they are running them as separate divisions (e.g. Radeon Technologies Group).

RTG seems to be injecting AMD with some new blood and new thinking - that hopefully gives AMD the kick that it needs. If licensing tech to Intel gives a better return than actually using the tech internally via APUs, then so be it. It's a different approach, that has different risks, but it likely has more options e.g. if AMDs CPU division isn't particularly successful going forwards.
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If intel sell a shedload more CPUs than AMD, it is a sound business move by the latter to ensure that part of intels success and sales are credited to AMD.
 
lol you guys going on about if this will actually happen and all that, my comment with that laptop showed amd graphics as an option, so it must already be happening as that model of laptop is out to buy, just a matter of that particular configure included or not.
 
agnes said:
It's good for laptops, but not desktop in my opinion.
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Oohh, you had me at "It's good for Laptops".....it looks to me like AMD are covering all the bases and getting their product into all the consumer areas that they need market share in.

Nice one AMD. ;)
 
maonayze said:
Oohh, you had me at "It's good for Laptops".....it looks to me like AMD are covering all the bases and getting their product into all the consumer areas that they need market share in.

Nice one AMD. ;)
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More good news for AMD from all of this. Investors buying in even more now.

2017 is shaping up to be a great year for AMD.

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