husband cash in a divorce 15 years ago is told he must up her maintenance

ended up a bit of a rant - will get to the point eventually

My mum and dad divorced when I was ~16. He worked in london as a solicitor when I was a toddler. I remember lots of arguments and shouting and him not coming home after work. Turned out he was banging his secretary for at least a couple of years.
The firm then decided he would best suit an over seas role (partly to remove the embarrassing situation of his affair from the office - the senior partner was kind of old school like that) so we moved to the middle east.
My mum knew about the affair but chose to have a new start abroad.

Fast forward 6-7 years and it's time for me to start gcse's so mum and I returned to the UK and I was enrolled in a boarding school. She was then due to go back abroad but for whatever reason she ended up staying here.

Anyway, when I was 16 my dad divorced my mum on the grounds of unreasonable behaviour. She ended up with a settlement that included enough to buy a house (back then ~50k) and about 1k a month in maintenance money.

That was almost 25 years ago.

Prior to my arrival, my mum was a matron at a hospital, having also run a children's home, an old peoples home, and worked at a private practice in harley street. In short, she had a career of her own until I was born; and a good one at that should she have chosen to re-kindle it with some more up to date training.

Now, in all the time since her divorce, not once has she attempted to go back to any kind of paid work. She's worked 'for free' with animals at a local kennels because she enjoyed it.
Some time between the time I turned 27 or 30 (iirc) dad stopped paying her maintenance allowance. Now there was no agreement to do this as far as the divorce settlement was concerned. I think it coincided with his return to the uk and setting up his own practice on the south coast.


Now all of that I can reconcile - dad was kind of a **** and my mum suffered for that. She's talked about chasing him for more money, but has left it for too long in my opinion for that to be viable.

I have a lot of sympathy for how my mum was treated. However in all the time since her divorce she has been unable to move on either emotionally or financially - she has not made a life for herself with a new relationship or with a job or resurrection of her career, in almost 25 years. Let that sink in again - 25 YEARS
She still blames him for just about everything wrong in her life. She's now 74, lives alone and is recovering from a stroke at the beginning of last year. All she ever does is complain about how her life is crap and always has been and how it's everyone else's fault it's like that, how no matter how kind or decent she tries to be people always take advantage of her. She complains about having no money now and how she'd have been better off one way or another if she's have had more money out of the divorce etc. I'm sick and tired of hearing it tbh.


Thinking about the title of this topic only reinforces my view of divorce and how some women benefit from it. Given my family circumstances, I think it's wholly unreasonable for a woman to expect to have a free income for the rest of her life, extending into and beyond retirement for both former partners.
Though I don't feel good about thinking it, I can certainly see my parents relationship from my dads point of view sometimes; I wouldn't want to stay in a relationship with my mum either, given how she has behaved over the last quarter of a century or so.
There's other factors in her behaviour too - a hormone imbalance; guys if you have any experience of women who have genuine problems in that area, not just a bit of pmt, you'll understand how difficult that is. Plus looking back on it I think she has been coping with some kind of depression for many years; she has always refused any kind of treatment for it and just kept on going. But her emotional stability is less than secure. Add to that the hormone imbalance, her stroke (possibly a result of long term HRT medication) and she's not in a very good place right now.
I frequently get the old 'I only stayed with your father to keep a stable home for you' in other words - if it weren't for you I'd have had a better life because I'd have left him etc. I know bad partnerships often stay together for the sake of the kids, but that's a decision entirely down to the parents idea that a financially stable home with a toxic emotional atmosphere is a better place for children to grow up. I'd disagree.

All that said (I thought some background to my thinking was required) I cannot say I think the ruling, to support in perpetuity the financial needs of a divorcee, is fair or just; no matter the circumstances of the marriage and reasons for the split. I'm sure there are cases where there is reasonable grounds for a longer term settlement agreement, but as far as I can see the majority of cases are grossly one sided.

No, I am not married and probably never will be.
 
Stuff likes this makes my blood boil, I could feel myself getting angrier the more I read.

The law needs to change. If there is no child (under 18) then the ex-wife should not receive a single penny! She made poor decisions after her marriage and she needs to lay in the bed she made.

Am recently married (Sept last year) and I was worried about things like this (my parents are divorced so know what it's like for the man) but I am safe in the knowledge that my wife is not the kind of person who would do this (cue people telling me I don't know my own wife and that all women are out to get men)
 
I would like to know why people get married after not much time together at all? By the time me and my girlfriend get married, we'll probably have been together 15 or more years.

Being 24 years with my gf and we still arent married (been engaged 18 years now) :)
 
Am recently married (Sept last year) and I was worried about things like this but I am safe in the knowledge that my wife is not the kind of person who would do this (cue people telling me I don't know my own wife and that all women are out to get men)

I don't think many people go into a marriage thinking that their partner will turn into an unreasonable nutter during or after the marriage.

Simple fact is that people change and the person you are divorcing will not be the same person that you married. If they were, you probably wouldn't be getting divorced.

There are plenty of people who stay married and plenty of people who have amicable divorces but you can't predict how yours will go.
 
I am safe in the knowledge that my wife is not the kind of person who would do this (cue people telling me I don't know my own wife and that all women are out to get men)

The funny thing is that after divorce, it's often friends and family pushing the ex-wife to "take him to the cleaners".
 
And people wonder why men don't care anymore about the old institutions?

Why get a stressful/maddening job for a disrespectful wife/family to "attempt" to live a "normal" life by getting enslaved into buying a pointless bundle of brick & mortar that you can never actually afford that is only going to get taken from you when your wife divorces you?

Better to just quit now and work at Tesco for the rest of your life.
 
Been with my girlfriend for 13 years, neither of us want to get married, she's a keeper. :D

This ruling though seems totally odd! She should be told to go fourth and multiply.
 
We've been married 24 years. Knew each other for a few years before that, went out and got engaged after a week!
Not every marriage fails (although most couples I know seem to have broken up!) but the cards certainly seem stacked in the womans favour.
 
The issue here is, I think, a disparity between modern circumstances and old practices and expectations regarding marriage.

In the past (read 50s/60s) it was entirely normal for only men to go out to work and for women to stay at home and look after the house and raise the kids. Under these circumstances a women had no capacity to provide for herself and it was considered right and proper that the husband should provide for her through the marriage and beyond.

Also divorce was very rare back then and the average mans salary was more than enough to afford to run a house, car, mortgage and pension comfortably.

This started to change in the late 60s/early 70s with the advent of the contraceptive pill which empowered women to delay child rearing until later in life and concentrate on a career - which ironically allowed governments to make women working the norm, landing them with more tax revenues they will never willingly give up. Today most women work before having children and could therefore quite reasonably do so after - indeed many chose to go back to work quite quickly when the kids get to school age and put the care of the kids into a qualified child minders hands.

However this is often out of necessity rather than desire to work - the cost of living today is appalling compared to the 50s/60s and unless the Dad is a high earner the prospect of mum being a SAHM, having a mortgage, car, pension etc. isn't reasonable for the majority. Nowadays when a divorce completes and the kids are grown up and left home there should be no reason at all that both parents cannot work to support themselves (unless they are at retirement age) and this is why the story in the OPs post really galls me.

However the judiciary still seem to be ruling based on circumstances out of the 1950s when the woman was unable to fend for herself - and this *has* to change.
 
Why? Sure it seems a long time but we aren't ready or rushing into these things. To us it's more important to just simply be together than it is to have our name in marriage.

I understand. It's just leaving it so long means you'll never reach the later wedding anniversary stages, if that means anything. I know it's only minor but it's still a nice achievement and sentimental.
 
Do you really believe that? It's not true. Sex shouldn't play a role, but of course it does. Gender plays a role too, since it's traditional that a husband is responsible for providing for his wife for life.

Also, there is no child in this case. So it's not about custody and child maintainance. It's about being paid for life for having been married to someone. Prostitution is a more honest form of that.

The child is always the focus in cases like this, if they didn't have any - she wouldn't of got anything after the divorce.
 
I have said this since early teens, I will never get married simply because if it ends I'll be financially ruined which IMO is ridiculous.
 
What I think is the most ridiculous thing is that people (man and women) have been conditioned from a young age to believe that marriage is the end game and that your relationship isn't serious unless you are married.

Ask most people why they want to get married and you will get some ******** about "security, commitment, love etc". There is more commitment in buying a house or a car.

You can get married and then divorced the next day. How is that commitment?
 
It is strange how relationships seem to last longer than marriages. Me and missus have been together ten years now and has never been better. My old boss was going 20+ without marriage. In fact he was frightened of it and likened it to a curse!

I guess having a ring on your ringer and calling her the wife has a nice ring to it though.

My parents got divorced in 1995 after 13 years of marriage. Father got custody but gave my mother a massive payout. IIRC it was about 50k. Don't get me wrong I love my mother to bits but she blew it on holidays and had nothing to show for it but luckily for her grandad was a banker and she got a decent sum 5 years ago from his death. She went from missing mortgage payments (borderline repo) to owning a house outright. Only worked 8 years of her life. She has calmed down a lot since her younger days but still spends excessively.
 
agnes;30476406 said:
I'm getting married in 5 months. This sort of stuff genuinely scares the **** out of me. As a man, we are so unfairly treated in situations like this.

Blame the feminists, they wanted equality, they got it and a lot more. The pendulum has swung the other way in their favour now.
 
MooMoo444;30478825 said:
I understand. It's just leaving it so long means you'll never reach the later wedding anniversary stages, if that means anything. I know it's only minor but it's still a nice achievement and sentimental.

We still celebrate the anniversary of the first time we "did it". does that count? :D
 
fez;30479996 said:
What I think is the most ridiculous thing is that people (man and women) have been conditioned from a young age to believe that marriage is the end game and that your relationship isn't serious unless you are married.

Ask most people why they want to get married and you will get some ******** about "security, commitment, love etc". There is more commitment in buying a house or a car.

You can get married and then divorced the next day. How is that commitment?

Exactly.

Totally agree.

Any male who gets married now with these divorce laws in place has got to seriously ask themselves why. IMO of course.
 
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