The US government's role in this is to issue a statement of support, that's all.
The London mayor will have a tad more to do.
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The US government's role in this is to issue a statement of support, that's all.
The London mayor will have a tad more to do.
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During the IRA campaign, London removed all bins in public spaces to stop them being used to conceal bombs (also increased the amount of shrapnel). In Northern Ireland, the police there are routinely armed and had both checkpoints and observation posts (all gone now, though).
Were these actions wrong? As these were methods for dealing with IRA terrorism by this country within living memory, should some changes not be made in order to deal with religious and/or far left/right terrorism today?
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They removed bins in places like Train and tube stations and this still remains today.
You want armed checkpoints in the capital now?
You want armed checkpoints in the capital now?
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No one can surely be surprised any terrorist act has a Birmingham connection, surely? Sparkhill, entered in Google, looking at just the last few days and ignoring the current situation, is illuminating.
For example:
"A court has heard how three alleged terrorists who called themselves the Three Musketeers stashed a pipe bomb and machete inscribed with 'kafir' on the blade as they secretly plotted an attack.
Naweed Ali, 29, and Khobaib Hussain, 25, both of Sparkhill in Birmingham, along with Mohibur Rahman, 32, and Tahir Aziz, 38, of Stoke-on-Trent, are on trial at the Old Bailey accused of preparing terrorist acts between May 25 and August 27 last year.
Part of the case will be heard in secret to avoid "sensitive" evidence from two anonymous witnesses being made public, jurors have been told. Prosecutor Gareth Patterson QC told the court that evidence found on the defendants' phones revealed their violent ideology."
http://www.itv.com/news/central/2017-03-22/arabic-word-for-infidel-inscribed-on-to-machete/
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Inside the jihadi capital of Britain: How a tiny area of Birmingham has produced one in 10 of the UK's convicted Islamic terrorists - thanks to pandering PC Labour councillors
- Sparkbrook in Birmingham has become synonymous with Islamic extremism
- One in ten of all UK's convicted Islamic terrorists have come from the area
- Sparkbrook is more than 70 per cent Muslim
- Labour-controlled Birmingham City council accused of turning a blind eye
And they want autonomous control of the council....
Do you suggest a ban on motor vehicles then?
(Source).
So let's summarise:
* Islamic terrorist
* British, born in the UK
* acted alone
* known to police and intelligence services
* previously investigated by MI5 in relation to violent extremism
I can't help wondering if this situation could have been avoided by a little more police effort in previous years.
RIP to the innocent people
"Sadiq Khan: London mayor says terror attacks 'part and parcel' of living in a major city"
There is something wrong with that person.
Trump Jr is that you?? He made a tweet saying pretty much what you said as well.
The sad but equally hilarious thing about it, is that he made those comments 2 yrs ago. But yet you and Trump Jr conveniently forgot that part as it didn't fit into your hate filled rhetoric
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Last time I was up there I past 3 what were essentially check points, 2 of which were armed police, on a path roughly inwards from the train station towards the city. (Mostly they were just observing but did see atleast one person pulled to one side for a bag check). Dunno how routine it is as I've not been up regularly since 2007.
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I don't want armed checkpoints, but then, I don't want people being killed by maniacs either. My argument is that why are such methods ok in N.Ireland but not in London?
EDIT: All bins were removed from City of London: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...e-since-ira-bishopsgate-bombings-8760387.html Not saying this is what should be done now, just that something was done other than just ignoring the reality of the situation.
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As someone very anti-religion, religious terrorism is becoming pretty tedious.
Get it all banned. Backwards folks and their dangerous beliefs.
Get it all banned. Backwards folks and their dangerous beliefs.
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I am taking a wider view of things, did you completely ignore the part where I said it would never stop me doing anything?
You can't ban it though. As much grief as it causes it appears to help many people as well.
Er what are you on about? The London Mayor gave out timely and supportive tweets and messages.
Significantly more people are killed each year by mentally ill individuals (870+ since 2004)
If saving lives and making our streets safer is the goal then we really should be far more concerned about the cuts in mental health care than terrorism imho
If saving lives and making our streets safer is the goal then we really should be far more concerned about the cuts in mental health care than terrorism imho
Given that most religious folk manage to behave themselves just fine, and what you're suggesting would amount to thoughtcrime, this is a tough sell.
It's abhorrent and it's not being ignored but knee jerk reactions have achieved what thus far? Terrorism evolves like any other crime does. We went to war in Iraq we created a power vacuum and it was filled by a group wanting to set up a caliphate, We went to war in Afghanistan created the same power vacuum and the same happened. We've bombed the living crap out of their homelands and we still have the problem.
History teaches us that you can't ban religion it doesn't work like that Faith is a weird and powerful thing and for some insane reason in the face of the most gruesome things some people still manage to stay strong to their beliefs. We have hundreds and hundreds of years of evidence that banning religion doesn't work. So what do you actually propose we do? Short of curtailing all civil rights and submitting ourselves to a completely open lifestyle of 0 privacy.
I would much rather we spend our efforts dealing with the needless deaths from poor social care than worry about the possibilities of a terrorist attack. You never know making the country a better place for everyone might stop some of the british people feeling alienated and becoming indoctrinated.
Thing is, you cannot stop a person twisting their beliefs in to violent outbursts.
I feel the same way when I see fans of rival football teams getting in to fights just because of something as inconsequential as a sport.
There significantly more non-violent relgious people than violent ones, just like there are more non-violent football supporters than violent ones.
Couple of places haven't been so good on that aspect
but some of the mainstream press seem to be avoiding it, emphasising the influence of past events in inspiring these kind of attacks instead and covering the response by the emergency services and public instead which I hope they continue to do.They've plastered images of the suspect everywhere so they may as well.