Shots fired outside parliament - Please refrain from speculative and antagonistic posts
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Just how this will work. Okay, you are suspected of being a terrorist sympathizer be that Islam, white supremacist, IRA, animal rights, whatever.
You are then locked up until you are deemed to be no threat? How will that ever happen? Years and year of interviews? Surely they will should go straight back on a watch list when released to see if they go back to their old ways and then by rights should be locked up again as they are on a watch list again.
You are making no sense old chap.
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No problem, Just different opinions
It'd be boring if we all thought the same, besides most of the best creative solutions are derived from conflict.
I think a major catalyst in these events is the media itself, frantic sensational events being pumped into everyone, through every available media, 24/7 - with all the video, images, suspect details, victims, condolences, speeches, Theresa May speeding off in her Jag, so on and so forth.
It seems totally counterintuitive in preventing terrorism, it just proves the point that anyone who carries out any of these attacks is made famous instantly..
I think when some sort of attack like this happens, there should be no full coverage of the event - where reporting is restricted only to the affected area and affected people, with a focus on making it as calm and sterile as possible - no newspaper front pages, no suspect details, no reporting on ANYTHING to do with ISIS whatsoever.
I think (based on a lot of evidence and research), with such an approach - it would take a lot of the attraction away from anyone who's 'on the fence' in thinking about committing one of these attacks - why bother if nobody is going to scream it all from the rooftops on your behalf.
(of course what I suggest is quite simply almost impossible, but I think it would be interesting to see if there would be a difference, and I think this approach could be tried in other areas, for example - a blackout on the reporting of mass shootings in the USA, where each time one occurs - the probability of another attack is over 90% a week or so later, probably down to the sensational 24/7 coverage each attack receives.)
It seems totally counterintuitive in preventing terrorism, it just proves the point that anyone who carries out any of these attacks is made famous instantly..
I think when some sort of attack like this happens, there should be no full coverage of the event - where reporting is restricted only to the affected area and affected people, with a focus on making it as calm and sterile as possible - no newspaper front pages, no suspect details, no reporting on ANYTHING to do with ISIS whatsoever.
I think (based on a lot of evidence and research), with such an approach - it would take a lot of the attraction away from anyone who's 'on the fence' in thinking about committing one of these attacks - why bother if nobody is going to scream it all from the rooftops on your behalf.
(of course what I suggest is quite simply almost impossible, but I think it would be interesting to see if there would be a difference, and I think this approach could be tried in other areas, for example - a blackout on the reporting of mass shootings in the USA, where each time one occurs - the probability of another attack is over 90% a week or so later, probably down to the sensational 24/7 coverage each attack receives.)
He's proposed to build a wall around the British Isle for us.
Seems like quite a few people on here want to go back to the 30s Germany and have neighbours snitch on people and then the autorities will come and take them away. What a great country we live in.
I'd hope anyone who thought their neighbour was planning an attack would "snitch" on them.... would you keep it quite then?
Greebo come off it, i meant temporary drastic measures, not temporary deportations ffs.
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I was talking to my fiancé about this earlier. To an extent I agree but in the same vein people want details, it makes them feel safer to know the details of what's happened and seeing the response gives them confidence that the various security services are on the ball. Having said that I think you're spot on about the glorification aspect, how peeved would they be if they perpetuated a terrorist attack and it was reported in 200 words on page 57 between the horoscopes and the classifieds. I'd liken it to a serial killer's need for recognition, just look at some of the correspondence from the zodiac killer when he didn't feel he was getting the recognition he deserved, I suspect it's a similar mindset, after all for these people this is their crowning glory.
What goalposts?
It is not me who works out a watch list, but again, i keep repeating myself, ANYONE ON A WATCH LIST, i don't care what they have or haven't done, if they are on it, off they go, simple.
Oh and the kind of terrorism we are talking about i really doubt you would be going back no more than 3 generations, stop trying to be a smart ass.
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Named as Khalid Masood
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...parliament-resumes-tributes-keith-palmer-live
I trust this source wont be questioned.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...parliament-resumes-tributes-keith-palmer-live
I trust this source wont be questioned.
If anyone is interested there are plenty of precedents for internment, especially during WWII, here's something I just found with a quick Google search:
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Would it happen now, here or in other European countries? Depends on how bad things get I guess, it is definitely a possibility I would say. But WWII was a conventional war, with the enemy in uniforms, fighting against specific countries, the current situation is totally different and unprecedented in modern times outside (perhaps), the Balkans. I remember my parents telling me a German who lived nearby was arrested one night on suspicion of being a spy, and not seen again for two years, he then returned to Germany with some family members, under a deportation order. What occurred with English born sympathisers I am not sure, no doubt it's all documented on the web somewhere. Can't see May suggesting it any time soon somehow
Japanese internment camps was one of the most shocking things the USA did during the war. 100,000s of Japanese, Italians and Germans interned, most natively born, some even faught for the USA in WW1 and they had all their assets seized and lived in POW camps where guards were allowed to shot them without any comeback for just disobeying orders.
You really advocating that we do the same because there is a "precedent"? You really are a hateful person aren't you?
Who cares what his name was? It's meaningless and only gives him credit.
Oh so wait now. Its not everybody on a watch list? So white supremacists, animals rights and IRA are excluded? As all of them would probably go back 3 generations
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I think the danger in this sort of thing is all the vast majority of people had which led them to snitch was prejudice born from propaganda and paranoia. People will suspect all sorts of things with no evidence behind it. Look at the prejudice in this thread...
Encouraging people to speculate and doubt their neighbours is a dangerous move. A move that will no doubt that will see more innocents punished and more marginalised people pushed towards extremism.
Come on, why are we in this thread? What is being discussed?
To clarify, my remarks are based on Islamist Terrorists as that's what this ******* thread is about essentially.
I would have thought you would have realised that.
Yeah, I mean I'm not against providing details per se, it's more keeping things 'on the ground' to the people who need to know, I myself think it's good to know the details. However, unfortunately due to the way things are now - the reporting itself makes things worse and an attack more likely.
Knowing things is an interesting thing, I get the impression that we've been conditioned into really believing that we "need to know everything" immediately, as it happens, on iPhone, iPad, android, bbc, sky, cnn, Facebook, all at once - it's almost as though this has become the norm, as though it's some sort of expected baseline, and the moment someone says "This might be making things worse" you could end up with a backlash, because people like having access to everything, whether it helps them or not.
But yeah... I doubt much will change, it'll probably just get worse,
Aye, correct.
I almost wonder if it was somewhat spontaneous - generally terrorist attacks kick off earlier in the day or target peak times - unless he actually thought he had a real chance of getting to one of the high profile politicians who would be around at that time.