AR15, for when the Shotty just doesnt quite cut it..

cheesyboy · 31 Mar 2017 at 11:14

- Can't blame the kid who did the shooting, fair enough response
- it's sad that 3 young guys are in such a situation that such a risky 'career' seems like a good option, or the only option
- it's therefore sad that they're dead
- it's still fair enough that the kid shot them
- USA's felony murder laws are democratically sickening.

Jeps · 31 Mar 2017 at 11:44

I understand the guy was well within his right to shoot them. They broke in with weapons so he did what he felt was necessary.

Charging the driver with murderer when she didn't kill anybody? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard

scorza · 31 Mar 2017 at 11:54

Jeps said:
I understand the guy was well within his right to shoot them. They broke in with weapons so he did what he felt was necessary.

Charging the driver with murderer when she didn't kill anybody? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard

There was a similar case on a BBC2 programme called American Justice last week. A young man in Florida was charged with the murder of his friend after they were both shot by a homeowner who said they had broken in and were robbing him, he survived with injuries, his friend died. If found guilty he was looking at life with no parole.

He was found not guilty of all charges, the jury accepted his explanation that he'd arranged to go round to the homeowner's house and sell a rifle

Schlong&Stable · 31 Mar 2017 at 11:58

I'm only sad I'll never get the chance to gun down wicked people.

Avenged7Fold · 31 Mar 2017 at 12:09

Thompson_NCL said:
I'm only sad I'll never get the chance to gun down wicked people.

We can thank god for all the high school lives he saved when he thought 'actually, i think Thompson NCL would probably be a better fit if we have him grow up in the UK rather than the US'

ubersonic · 31 Mar 2017 at 12:12

Thompson_NCL said:
I'm only sad I'll never get the chance to gun down wicked people.

Join the army.

Rroff · 31 Mar 2017 at 12:19

Jeps said:
I understand the guy was well within his right to shoot them. They broke in with weapons so he did what he felt was necessary.

Charging the driver with murderer when she didn't kill anybody? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard

In theory it isn't as dumb as it sounds - it is intended to deter people from being involved in crime but it only works so far. Like laws and even the death penalty it doesn't stop people doing bad things.

ubersonic · 31 Mar 2017 at 12:22

wolfie138 said:
people have been killed at wedding celebration before in places where it's customary to let loose w/ AKs as a salute.

The Mythbusters investigation was very flawed (shock).

Whether of not the falling bullet can kill depends on a number of factors such as the type of bullet, the speed it falls at, thickness of the persons skin, etc.

Jeps · 31 Mar 2017 at 12:26

Rroff said:
In theory it isn't as dumb as it sounds - it is intended to deter people from being involved in crime but it only works so far. Like laws and even the death penalty it doesn't stop people doing bad things.

Sounds great in theory but charging people with murder when nobody was actually murdered is just mind boggling. Its like when teenagers get charged with statutory rape for having consensual sex with somebody the same age as them. All it takes is an ounce of common sense to see how wrong it is.

Rroff · 31 Mar 2017 at 12:29

ubersonic said:
The Mythbusters investigation was very flawed (shock).

Whether of not the falling bullet can kill depends on a number of factors such as the type of bullet, the speed it falls at, thickness of the persons skin, etc.

Wikipedia says they covered a range of scenarios and highlighted the many different factors involved.

Schlong&Stable · 31 Mar 2017 at 12:35

ubersonic said:
Join the army.

What, and go to jail for killing the enemy? No thank you.

cheesyboy · 31 Mar 2017 at 12:37

Rroff said:
In theory it isn't as dumb as it sounds - it is intended to deter people from being involved in crime but it only works so far. Like laws and even the death penalty it doesn't stop people doing bad things.

If that was the theory, why not just ramp up the tariff on those same crimes?

It's just a bull**** law that stomps all over the principle of a democratic justice system.

The same posters who crow over the killing of these burglars are whooping at the sentencing of the accomplice. How can you reconcile believing their deaths are a good result for society whilst being happy over punishing someone heavily for their deaths? How is that justice? Makes no sense.

Vonhelmet · 31 Mar 2017 at 12:38

Jeps said:
Sounds great in theory but charging people with murder when nobody was actually murdered is just mind boggling. Its like when teenagers get charged with statutory rape for having consensual sex with somebody the same age as them. All it takes is an ounce of common sense to see how wrong it is.

The point of felony murder charges is that any person involved in the commission of a felony can be charged with felony murder if anyone ends up dead as a result of that felony. The causal chain can get quite loose. It's like being charged with conspiracy.

Teknobry · 31 Mar 2017 at 12:52

Rroff said:
Surprisingly its possible (I know/know of a couple of owners) in the UK to have reasonable justification to own an ar15 in 5.56mm modified for straight pull in the UK - well technically even full auto if you had reasonable justification but pretty much no one would even come close to justification for full auto.

Joining a gun club and target shooting is enough justification to own a rifle. you can have .308 and above if you so wanted. Only in bolt action though, semi auto and full auto centrefire is banned, no matter what in civilian use.

Rroff · 31 Mar 2017 at 13:01

Teknobry said:
Joining a gun club and target shooting is enough justification to own a rifle. you can have .308 and above if you so wanted. Only in bolt action though, semi auto and full auto centrefire is banned, no matter what in civilian use.

That is the strange thing about UK firearms laws - it isn't actually technically banned to have a lot of weapons/modes of fire that people would think are banned - its just pretty much impossible to ever have the justification to own one :s

On the .308 note I am kind of tempted to look into whether I could join a club and get a desert tech srs I believe 1-2 people in the UK have done that and there is a range near me that caters for shooting those kind of rifles (EDIT: bah they've shut down the rifle range and its just clays now).

drs101 · 31 Mar 2017 at 13:02

Thompson_NCL said:
I'm only sad I'll never get the chance to gun down wicked people.

you may find killing people isn't so easy and has it's own set of issues for the person doing the killing, unless your a psychopath.

In a case of kill or be killed or to protect ones family I would have do the same and then try to deal with my demons.

Cromulent · 31 Mar 2017 at 13:34

Terminal_Boy said:
And until the entire human race is psychic, that argument is bobbins. Without the assailants filling in a questionnaire at the door, how could anyone gauge that murder and mayhem wasn't their intention when entering the house armed?

If you offer lethal force, you don't get to complain when you are met with lethal force.

From a ballistics perspective, a shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot will have the desired terminal affect without endangering everyone within 300-400 metres as using an AR-15 will. Yank houses are usually drywall on a timber frame which doesn't do much to stop high velocity rifle bullets that don't hit their intended target.

wolfie138 said:
er, no it fkn doesn't. you walk into someone else's property w/ a weapon you deserve everything that happens to you.

Obviously neither of you bothered to read my follow up comment.

gbgt2 · 31 Mar 2017 at 16:00

The felony murder rule in the US got one guy life without the possibility of parole for lending his car to a friend who then used it to drop three men off at a house to commit a robbery in which someone was murdered. The sentence was commuted to 25 years in the end.

subbytna · 31 Mar 2017 at 16:18

I love it when Karma strikes. Good to see scumbag corpses going into the ground. If you wo and play with big boys rules then expect big boys toys to come out too.

Tackle_Berry · 31 Mar 2017 at 16:30

Rroff said:
That is the strange thing about UK firearms laws - it isn't actually technically banned to have a lot of weapons/modes of fire that people would think are banned - its just pretty much impossible to ever have the justification to own one :s

On the .308 note I am kind of tempted to look into whether I could join a club and get a desert tech srs I believe 1-2 people in the UK have done that and there is a range near me that caters for shooting those kind of rifles (EDIT: bah they've shut down the rifle range and its just clays now).

Not sure where you are but if you're near Bisley you can join the NRA and shoot there. I had an FEO round this week for my application for .357, .223, .308, and 6.5 Creedmore rifles.