Need some euro cylinder lock advise pls

[Burned_Alive]

While breaking glass is trivial, most burglars wont want to do this due to the noise it creates. There will be the exception though.

 

[DampCat]

It always comes down to the same argument.

"Windows"

So how is my example extreme? The argument literally suggests if you have windows there's no point in any security. It's ludicrous.

It takes 20 seconds of silence to break a eurocylinder, it takes a lot of noise to break a window.

As people keep saying, it's not about making your house impossible to enter. That's not possible. Nobody disputes that. Nobody disputes "windows". It's about making yourself a less appealing target than others.

It's mind boggling to me that someone wouldn't take 120 quid and 20 minutes to take care of that.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

Replaced all my locks with ABS Avocet ones, replaced the handles with stronger higher security ones as well, side by side with the original you could tell how cheap and flimsy probably a majority of peoples door handles are and it's no wonder they can be snapped so easily to access the cylinder for snapping.

 

[Hotwired]

It always comes down to the same argument.

"Windows"

So how is my example extreme? The argument literally suggests if you have windows there's no point in any security. It's ludicrous.

But you can apply that logic to anything. If you've got windows, why bother having a front door?

Pretty obvious why it's extreme.

And no, if you read my post it's not about windows. It's about the futility of spending on upgrading a lock when the lock is not a major factor in the first place and therefore a real reason to not waste money doing so.

No you can't apply that logic because you're making an extreme case in your argument and framing it as if I'm making an extreme case.

When I say the burglar doesn't HAVE to deal with a lock I'm talking about as you say, spending a couple of hundred quid upgrading your lock from standard.

...and then someone is able to open the door anyway without having to touch the lock at all because the door or doorframe is inferior.

Or as people have said several times. Breaking glass in a door or window to gain entry is trivial.

So there is a lot of point in not splashing out for the "best" lock when you know your existing lock isn't even the easiest way to get in.

 

[DampCat]

Sorry, but i dont really understand/agree. Im not sure how a lock that takes seconds to snap isn't a contributing factor to how easy it is to break into a house.

I hate having arguemnts online so i'm out of this one, apologies.

 

[Hotwired]

Well one other person admits to understanding.

You can put the most resistant lock in the word on your door and it won't be worth the money or effort if your door is garbage and it's round the back out of sight with no one in the house all day.

But at least they won't snap the lock getting in.

 

[fat4l]

Hi guys.
For the past days I was looking for some good locks for my house.
I went through all big "anti snap" lock I could see on the internet.

What Bosnianbill is recommending are lock that are not "anti snapable". They are mostly "unpickable" but can be snapped = done.

Also I wounld NOT go with ABS Avocet ones at all. The key way is way too big and while these are very nice looking and have some nice antipicking features(trapped pins etc), the lock itself can be easily bypassed in seconds, literally, by using the right tools(semi destructive method).
I would not feel safe with thse at all.
See for yourself: https://www.tradelocks.co.uk/blog/abs-magic-blade/
Vids here:

and here:

and here:

and Lol'd here :

Regarding Yale, superior ones and all the Multi T lock and basically all the "standard key hole" dimple locks, there is a tool for them as well.

http://www.hillsupplier.co.uk/home/dimple-lock-pick/dimple-force-bits


Here is something for Brisant Ultion....opened in seconds too

Check out this channel. It is really good
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0TAFqoIOo3_Oe-uJgAnJHA


Regarding which locks to buy ?
I HAVE NO IDEA.
I'm lost ....there no good locks out there.
The best nonpickable are the lock with rotating disks, such as Abloy Protec 2. Cant be picked. But can be snapped... GG

 

[daelo]

What I reckon it comes down is how hard is the lock to defeat by the majority of the population, without specific training or indepth knowledge.

It seems nearly every lock available can be picked, but the people picking them have YEARS and year of experience picking locks, have specialist knowledge of tools required and a brain that has attuned to the feel in their fingers much like taxi drivers learn routes with their brains adjusting for more memory.

So lock bumping, is a pretty straight forward and anyone with a key and a flexible hammer could probably achieve this method of entry - not a lot of cost for the parts

Lock snapping again, is pretty straight forward if you use the right tools and have practiced once or twice - Just need some molegrips, traction screw and screw driver and probably a strong flat head for leverage.

The above two in my opinion are what you want to see most from a replacement cylinder, can it be bumped easily, can it be snapped easily?

 

[ttaskmaster]

Also I wounld NOT go with ABS Avocet ones at all. The key way is way too big and while these are very nice looking and have some nice antipicking features(trapped pins etc), the lock itself can be easily bypassed in seconds, literally, by using the right tools(semi destructive method).

"With the right tools", I can do all sorts to most of what's inside your property boundary... with the right tools...
The right tools, by the way, cost hundreds of pounds and are not as easy as you think, even for a master burglar.

For example, the ABS tool you linked to:
"The method of opening the lock is based partly on impressioning pins and partly on the destruction of resistant pins".
Can you break individual pins without damaging the rest of the lock you're tyring to open?
Do you know how to impression a lock?
Do you have key-cutting equipment?
Is the key-cutting equipment silent?
Do you have a portable power source for the key-cutting rig?
Do you have a few grand to drop on all this?

Or will you just use a crowbar and pop the door open?

There are several such tools, some of which take far less time to open a lock than the several minutes in that video.

I HAVE NO IDEA.
I'm lost ....there no good locks out there.

No, there are no impregnable locks out there. There are plenty of good ones.
But just like there is no car that will be guaranteed 100% safe in the event of a crash and 100% guaranteed never to break down, you simply get the best you can reasonably afford and get on with driving...

 

[BennyC]

Looking to upgrade my cylinder lock on the front door which is currently a thumb-turn on the inside, it's the original lock (new build - 2011) so expect it's quite weak from both a secure rating & deterrent perspective.

I quite like the thumb-turn as it's convenient but admit that it's perhaps susceptible to being opened from though outside through the letterbox. Short of gluing it shut should I be considering a 'key on both side' option? I have a split spindle and on reflection keys will already be in hand from having just opened the door

I've got a standard mortice lock on the back door (half glazed) with some concealed security bolts top and bottom and feel this is sufficient.

 

[the-evaluator]

Personally I'd always go for a thumb turn.

In our old house we had a key lock on both sides of the door and my other half was *ALWAYS* forgetting to take the key out so I'd have to bang on the door to wake her up so I could get into the house. Also in the event of a fire you're not running around trying to find keys to get the door open.

 

[BennyC]

Also in the event of a fire.

Very true, I hadn't considered this.

***unnecessary and distasteful***

 

[Firestar_3x]

Personally I'd always go for a thumb turn.

In our old house we had a key lock on both sides of the door and my other half was *ALWAYS* forgetting to take the key out so I'd have to bang on the door to wake her up so I could get into the house. Also in the event of a fire you're not running around trying to find keys to get the door open.

Depends on the location of the lock, i avoid thumb turn locks they are a security liability.

As for your other points, the first one comes down to the individual and the second is poor planning and frankly you should always leave the keys in the same location each night.

 

[Hotwired]

I'm pretty sure all the new builds round here are equipped with thumb turn front and back doors, few hundred houses by two different companies.

 

[kindai]

We went with Avocet ATK locks with thumbturns and slam shut locking.

Is there better available? Maybe, but I think its about as good as you can get without going into stupid money.

 

[the-evaluator]

As for your other points, the first one comes down to the individual and the second is poor planning and frankly you should always leave the keys in the same location each night.

Agreed, the first point is down to the individual hence why I said 'Personally I would always go for thumb turns' rather than 'Everyone should without exception have a thumb turn'

I don't get your point about poor planning though. Fires tend to be a bit of a surprise and who can honestly say they've always, without exception put their keys in the same location every night? I nearly always out my keys in the same place but definitely not 100% of the time.

 

[Firestar_3x]

I do, but then i'm a Risk Consultant for high hazard industries so probably have a different view of the world / things than most.

 

[Meridian]

Get Avocet ABS locks, you can order 'keyed alike' sets, so your front and back door can share the same key.

http://www.barnsleylock.co.uk/avocet-abs-mk3-anti-snap-locks-13-c.asp

I have these in my current house. However, that's really just for bragging rights. As others have already pointed out, and I learned at a previous property, burglars don't pick locks. This isn't a 1930s adventure novel, with people spending months honing their fingertips to pick any lock. No, they just heave a garden ornament or half a brick through the patio door. Seriously, just get reasonable locks, because any more is a waste of money. Burglars are dim kids with one eye on the clock, not master criminals. Force will always be their first option, and in most cases their only one.

 

[Mikey]

Got AVocet ABS locks atm, but with new doors fitted locks need replacing as they're different sizes, so thread revival... ABS or Ultion this time round?

Staying ABS and getting new locks keyed alike would be cheaper.

 

[beh]

ABS seems a smoother/nicer action for key insertion etc. at place I was renting last year. Whereas Ultion that I have currently unfortunately seems very rough to me, not sure why, key seems pointlessly chunky?