Australia replacing discredited 457 visas

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https://www.theguardian.com/austral...an-government-abolish-457-temporary-work-visa

A 457 visa is a skilled worker visa that lets employers sponsor employees in other countries for positions in Australia. Bad news for Brits wanting to go to Australia, good news for Australians wanting jobs. It'll be replaced by a new visa system that has a higher threshold. Hopefully we in the UK can finally get a jobs market that puts British workers first in a similar way.
 
scorza said:
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...an-government-abolish-457-temporary-work-visa

A 457 visa is a skilled worker visa that lets employers sponsor employees in other countries for positions in Australia. Bad news for Brits wanting to go to Australia, good news for Australians wanting jobs. It'll be replaced by a new visa system that has a higher threshold. Hopefully we in the UK can finally get a jobs market that puts British workers first in a similar way.
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I think you will like living in North Korea, they put North Korean jobs first.
 
Australia's unemployment rate seems pretty low, doesn't look like that visa was forcing Australians out of work to me. Maybe you know better though seeing as immigration seems to be where you spend all of your intellectual resources.
 
Odd, I still keep getting requests for Skype interviews from old c.v.s that are floating around.

They still seem to be desperate for certain jobs.
 
Er, doubt this will make any difference they still have a skills shortage for certain roles.

What are they going to do, force companies to employ people who can't do the job? Nah.

Seems like this will potentially impact Indians more than Brits.

Turnbull said the new visa would “better target genuine skills shortages” and would include new requirements such as previous work experience, better English-language proficiency and labour market testing.
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Caged said:
Australia's unemployment rate seems pretty low, doesn't look like that visa was forcing Australians out of work to me. Maybe you know better though seeing as immigration seems to be where you spend all of your intellectual resources.
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:D
 
I moved to Australia in January on a 457, they will replace it in March 2018 with a 2 year low skilled visa and a 4 year high skilled visa.

From what I can make out the main gripe with the 457 was that places like McDonald's and KFC where using the 457 to get staff from places like China and it is seen that these jobs should be going to young Australians. Weather young Australians want to work at McDonald's and KFC is another matter...
 
Caged said:
Australia's unemployment rate seems pretty low, doesn't look like that visa was forcing Australians out of work to me. Maybe you know better though seeing as immigration seems to be where you spend all of your intellectual resources.
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I know, anyone would think that immigration was an important issue to people or something. Is that alright Caged? I don't want to hurt your feelings with this post.
 
LoNeStaR* said:
I moved to Australia in January on a 457, they will replace it in March 2018 with a 2 year low skilled visa and a 4 year high skilled visa.
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Funny the OP didn't mention the low skilled visa replacement

From what I can make out the main gripe with the 457 was that places like McDonald's and KFC where using the 457 to get staff from places like China and it is seen that these jobs should be going to young Australians. Weather young Australians want to work at McDonald's and KFC is another matter...
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Well, it's no surprise and the same that happens over here. Our children come from an affluent society, better educated and told to strive higher, so it's no shock they don't aspire to work in low paid menial work.

It does cause the issue where they get an over bloated sense of entitlement when they probably should be looking at that level of work though, but that's another issue :p

And @scorza ... we miss you in the Trump thread, come back soon with your hilarious attempts to defend him ;)
 
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amigafan2003 said:
Probably have to improve the competency of British workers first though
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And there lies the problem There is no incentive for UK employers to improve the competency of British workers while they can still get away with importing cheap ready trained ones from abroad. That is why the immigration restrictions have to come first.
 
I don't think that employers should be picking the tab for filling educational gaps. Specific job training by all means.

Invest in education and there will be less of a need to recruit from abroad. The alternative is to make UK companies less competitive right before we are supposed to go and export to the world.
 
Orionaut said:
And there lies the problem There is no incentive for UK employers to improve the competency of British workers while they can still get away with importing cheap ready trained ones from abroad. That is why the immigration restrictions have to come first.
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The imported work force is needed due to the shortage of competent/trained employees. Not convinced you can attach blame to the employers. Which jobs are the employers failing their employees in?

I think the Australian system is a fair one and the changes are nothing major merely a sensible tightening of current practices.

Just a shame they don't have a shortage of slightly lazy middle age men. I would be packing my bags now :D
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-visas-in-kiwis-first-approach-to-immigration

Looks like the Kiwis are following suit:

The New Zealand government has announced plans to tighten access to skilled work visas to help get Kiwis into jobs ahead of migrants.

Employees in seasonal work such as fruit picking would also have their visas shortened to the length of time they were needed in the country.

The new measures are aimed at controlling record-high levels of migration to New Zealand, amid growing concern about housing shortages, road congestion and overcrowding in Auckland, and other major New Zealand cities.

Last year more than 70,000 people migrated to New Zealand, according to Statistics New Zealand, the majority of them choosing to settle in Auckland, now home to nearly 1.5 million people.
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Caged said:
Australia's unemployment rate seems pretty low, doesn't look like that visa was forcing Australians out of work to me. Maybe you know better though seeing as immigration seems to be where you spend all of your intellectual resources.
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The main problem with the 457 was that there was no proper mechanism for determining that there was a skill shortage for the jobs under which 457 workers were hired. This meant that local companies could save money by hiring cheap foreign workers (who typically do not unionise) even if there was no genuine demand for them.

As a result of this rort, skilled Australian workers were losing jobs all over the place.

The second problem was that the 457 could easily be converted to permanent residence while bypassing the usual PR visa requirements (Australia has a large number of immigration consultants that specialise in the exploitation of this loophole). This meant that unscrupulous employers could tempt foreign workers to put in 2 years of gruelling labour at minimum wage, with the promise of PR at the end of two years (at which point the employer would simply sack them and find a fresh 457).

This has resulted in an unwanted influx of unskilled labourers with permanent residence, which is bad for local employment and the economy in general.

Turnbull's revision of the 457 system is a welcome one but I fear that it doesn't go far enough, and it will probably take a few years to implement. It's too early to say how things will pan out. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed.
 
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