Le Vote, France start to elect a new president

silvagti · 7 May 2017 at 19:59

Ironically I'd also almost wanted le pen to win just because it would force the EU to improve our post brexit deal.

I'd you want to see suffering just wait until you see the kicking the EU, and the 27 member states, gives us for leaving.

I really wish the referendum here had a different outcome but it's the path we voted for so time to take our lumps

datalol-jack · 7 May 2017 at 20:06

Freakbro said:
Vive la France!

So falls the priestess of fear! This is 4chan 2 mins ago:

Vive la France!

Uther · 7 May 2017 at 20:06

Yep, Macrons the EU's man, and certainly no friend of a Brexit UK. I'm on a French expat forum, and most seem to see him as the least worst option, which is hardly confidence inspiring :rolleyes:

I expect his ratings will tank in the same way Hollande's did in a few years, and the merry go round can start all over again.

mmj_uk · 7 May 2017 at 20:07

It's weird hearing the BBC talk about how the media have been so biased towards Macron "not even hiding their preference", as if they believe they weren't.

Amp34 · 7 May 2017 at 20:09

silvagti said:
Can they really be relied upon as I'm sure many of the le pen voters wouldn't admit to it? Seems odd when the polls got it so wrong with brexit and trump.

They didn't though. It's a myth that seems to be peddled by a certain group again and again. They certainly weren't perfect, but they really weren't that far off.

For Brexit it predicted a close call, with the odds favouring remain. In the end leave just won.

For Trump it was predicted to be fairly close, with Clinton winning. She won the popular vote but lost a few key states by very close margins.

This election was not even close from the start.

robfosters · 7 May 2017 at 20:10

This was the NF's last chance. Soon France will be so full of immigrants there will be no chance of them ever getting enough votes and France will continue to slide into a cesspit of endless immigration and violence.

datalol-jack · 7 May 2017 at 20:11

Fascism - what's not to hate? The mainstream conservatives represented by Fillon will still get enough seats to offer more traditionalist views in the legislature. Look up the forecast earlier in this thread. If Macron fluffs this up, he has nobody to blame but himself.

Freakbro · 7 May 2017 at 20:11

robfosters said:
This was the NF's last chance. Soon France will be so full of immigrants there will be no chance of them ever getting enough votes and France will continue to slide into a cesspit of endless immigration and violence.

Hi Enoch

scorza · 7 May 2017 at 20:13

Not an unexpected result. I predicted Le Pen would get a third of the vote and she got slightly over. 10% spoiled ballots though - French democracy is not in a good place and I doubt Macron will be the guy to sort it out.

It's funny isn't it, during the campaign Macron said that the EU had to reform, now he's won his supporters are saying this election was a referendum on the EU i.e. remain has won, no need for any reform.

Amp34 · 7 May 2017 at 20:14

Freakbro said:
Hi Enoch

Do you think it's time to pull out the links pointing out that immigrants are generally no more likely to commit crime than natives, and that socioeconomic factors are a far greater cause of crime?

It's just I'm getting bored hmof having to copy/paste the same stuff over and over again.

datalol-jack · 7 May 2017 at 20:14

Freakbro said:
Hi Enoch

Or that chap that thinks that English identity is churches, pubs and gentrified xenophobia. And speaking of the devil @scorza appears in sulphurous fumes!

mmj_uk · 7 May 2017 at 20:15

Like I said earlier if Le Pen had won the EU would have had to reform, Macron won't do that despite his campaigning - he can't.

A reformed EU would have led to remainers calling for a second EU referendum so British independence probably just dodged another bullet.

scorza · 7 May 2017 at 20:18

Amp34 said:
Do you think it's time to pull out the links pointing out that immigrants are generally no more likely to commit crime than natives, and that socioeconomic factors are a far greater cause of crime?

It's just I'm getting bored hmof having to copy/paste the same stuff over and over again.

The reason you have to keep copying and pasting the same stuff over and over is because no-one believes it anymore. People aren't dumb, they can see what's going on with their own eyes. Since you're in Canada, why don't you go and show those stats to a First Nationer and see if it matters to them.

robfosters · 7 May 2017 at 20:18

Enoch Powell wasn't as wrong as people make him out to be. It's just that his views don't fit the narrative nowadays.

Em3bbs · 7 May 2017 at 20:18

robfosters said:
This was the NF's last chance. Soon France will be so full of immigrants there will be no chance of them ever getting enough votes and France will continue to slide into a cesspit of endless immigration and violence.

Let's all have a lovely drink of fascist tears.

datalol-jack · 7 May 2017 at 20:20

Macron supports supply-side market reforms and fiscal integration via proper Eurobank, he may not get it, but it's worth a try and something you can hold to account re Euro. Le Pen? Have you looked at her economically illiterate, protectionist drivel that would've sent France into the stone age, within a hell of dual currency and trade wars! That would not have been reform, it'd have been home-wrecking!

scorza said:
The reason you have to keep copying and pasting the same stuff over and over is because no-one believes it anymore. People aren't dumb, they can see what's going on with their own eyes. Since you're in Canada, why don't you go and show those stats to a First Nationer and see if it matters to them.

No, @scorza, the dumb people just think they are smart. They are not, nor are they the majority.

CREATIVE!11 · 7 May 2017 at 20:20

Em3bbs said:
Let's all have a lovely drink of fascist tears.

Don't be so ridiculous....

Enforcing an immigration policy is facism? no wonder the right is on the rise. Give it some more time.

Freakbro · 7 May 2017 at 20:21

scorza said:
Not an unexpected result. I predicted Le Pen would get a third of the vote and she got slightly over. 10% spoiled ballots though - French democracy is not in a good place and I doubt Macron will be the guy to sort it out.

But what does it say when an unpopular completely inexperienced centrist 'politician' completely trounces the far right generational politician

It's funny isn't it, during the campaign Macron said that the EU had to reform, now he's won his supporters are saying this election was a referendum on the EU i.e. remain has won, no need for any reform.

What, you mean someone touting for votes might say things they don't totally believe in to garner a wider support???

I'm shocked!

robfosters · 7 May 2017 at 20:22

CREATIVE!11 said:
Don't be so ridiculous....

Enforcing an immigration policy is facism? no wonder the right is on the rise. Give it some more time.

I was going to post exactly this. I am opposed to uncontrolled immigration. How does that make me a fascist? Please explain.

datalol-jack · 7 May 2017 at 20:23

CREATIVE!11 said:
Don't be so ridiculous....

Enforcing an immigration policy is facism? no wonder the right is on the rise. Give it some more time.

Third way politics, xenophobia to whip up marginal voters, economic protectionism and heavy dollops of anti-semitism, Islamophobia and just your rank level Vichyist twaddle, with some plagiarised and 4chan material. Yeah, I think that's a duck we know the quack of quite well, thanks.