AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

TheRealDeal · 9 May 2017 at 22:14

LoadsaMoney said:
Yeah, can't do both like Nvidia, and they can't even compete anyway on gaming with Nvidia.

Lts not forget that Titan X, Titan X (Pascal) and Titan Xp are all deep learning cards. I suppose they are all crap gaming cards. Vega will be fast of that i have no doubt. How fast i don't know but very confident it will out do a 1080 easy enough. 1080ti we shall see.

LoadsaMoney · 9 May 2017 at 22:16

Yep, we shall see.

spoffle · 9 May 2017 at 22:32

D.P. said:
Pretty sure they marketed as a both a compute an gaming card in one.

EDIT: 1 min of google:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6760/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-1/4

Nvidia could have easily disabled the Fp64 support as they did with the 780ti etc. but they purpsoely left it enabled as a prosumer compute card without the professional support.

Maxwell had to drop Fp64 support due to transistor constraints. By the time we got to Pascal Nvidia has diverged HPC and gaming lines.

Their page didn't actually state anything other than its gaming performance. Again, I'm not disputing its actual compute performance but that isn't how they marketed it.

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/gtx-700-graphics-cards/gtx-titan-black/

Now I know it's not the original Titan, but the Titan Black was the same card, just over clocked a bit. It however links to a video that they used for the original Titan that states it's a revolution in gaming using supercomputer technology.

They don't or didn't state anywhere that it's a compute card. They go on about gaming.

N19h7m4r3 · 9 May 2017 at 22:38

TheRealDeal said:
Lts not forget that Titan X, Titan X (Pascal) and Titan Xp are all deep learning cards. I suppose they are all crap gaming cards. Vega will be fast of that i have no doubt. How fast i don't know but very confident it will out do a 1080 easy enough. 1080ti we shall see.

Difference being that they have 1:1 FP16 performance, where as Tesla and AMD's Instinct Vega card are 2:1 FP16.

So AMD's Instinct MI25 beats them all in that respect at 25 TFLOPS of FP16, compared to P100 Tesla having 18.7 for the PCIe Card, and 21.2 TFLOPS for the NVLink version.

TheRealDeal · 10 May 2017 at 00:20

N19h7m4r3 said:
Difference being that they have 1:1 FP16 performance, where as Tesla and AMD's Instinct Vega card are 2:1 FP16.

So AMD's Instinct MI25 beats them all in that respect at 25 TFLOPS of FP16, compared to P100 Tesla having 18.7 for the PCIe Card, and 21.2 TFLOPS for the NVLink version.

Through experience in fp32 which is important for games the gaming chip is usually clocked higher again. If Vega follows suit then it really could be a beast. AMD do seem to disappoint with there last few releases but i can see no reason why a chip the size of Vega 10 will have problems being faster than a 1080. In reality it should rival a 1080ti but again with AMD's latest efforts i really don't want to think about another 9700 which is possible.

Tute · 10 May 2017 at 00:23

I'd like to see it look like the 5870 Vapor-X personally. Gorgeous card.

N19h7m4r3 · 10 May 2017 at 00:44

TheRealDeal said:
Through experience in fp32 which is important for games the gaming chip is usually clocked higher again. If Vega follows suit then it really could be a beast. AMD do seem to disappoint with there last few releases but i can see no reason why a chip the size of Vega 10 will have problems being faster than a 1080. In reality it should rival a 1080ti but again with AMD's latest efforts i really don't want to think about another 9700 which is possible.

The FP32 performance of the MI25 is 12.5 TFLOPS. Which at ~1500mhz is pretty good.

Hopefully AMD is able to get higher clock speeds out of it, one of my concerns is that the card is rated at <300W.
The last time AMD rated a card like that was the 290X and it ended up at 290W TDP.

Hopefully gaming Vega manages better clocks without going silly on power draw and heat.

TheRealDeal · 10 May 2017 at 00:55

N19h7m4r3 said:
The FP32 performance of the MI25 is 12.5 TFLOPS. Which at ~1500mhz is pretty good.

Hopefully AMD is able to get higher clock speeds out of it, one of my concerns is that the card is rated at <300W.
The last time AMD rated a card like that was the 290X and it ended up at 290W TDP.

Hopefully gaming Vega manages better clocks without going silly on power draw and heat.

300w tdp is pretty worrying. It needs to perform like a champ with those figures. TDP never really worries me much as we all know a decent cooler should be up to the job and it's pennies more to run per day. If the performance is there then it shouldn't be a problem.

Thing is though at 300w tdp and if only matching a 1080ti AMD have fallen way behind Nvidia tech wise which i don't want to happen for all our wallets. Looks even worse when using HBM2. Wasn't there a slide showing 220w tdp not so long ago. I wonder if AMD have made a really bad move going with Global Foundries.

awaybreaktoday · 10 May 2017 at 06:36

Shaz12 said:
If that's Volta, game over for AMD

Keynote at 17:00, if it is Volta and if it is released this year i will not be buying Vega.......

triss · 10 May 2017 at 06:38

awaybreaktoday said:
Keynote in about 10hrs, if it is Volta and if it is released this year i will not be buying Vega.......

Shaz12 said:
If that's Volta, game over for AMD

If Volta is being released this year so soon after the 1080ti and new titan i'd say Vega is quite good and Nvidia needed to respond

Gregster · 10 May 2017 at 06:40

LOL, we will know more about Volta than Vega at this rate

awaybreaktoday · 10 May 2017 at 06:41

awaybreaktoday said:
Keynote at 17:00, if it is Volta and if it is released this year i will not be buying Vega.......

However we could be in a situation where AMD have been waiting for Nvidia to lay their cards on the table regarding Volta

Burr · 10 May 2017 at 06:45

I'd bet a new shield or something. Highly unlikely to be consumer Volta if they're building supply of it already.

TNA · 10 May 2017 at 06:53

My expectation has always been that Vega will beat Pascal and then not so long after Volta will beat Vega. The gap between Volta and Vega being bigger.

This is why Vega needs to be priced well. If not, even as much as I would like Vega I will just wait for Volta and get more bang for my buck.

Panos · 10 May 2017 at 06:57

Guys there is no Volta this year. Shield yes, was announced few weeks ago. But no Volta. Hell there is no GTX1080ti stock to fullfill two month old pre-orders.

Dont read WCCFTECH for news. They have none.
Is the same s-h-ite which "according to their sources" their headlines for vega the last few weeks only.

Vega was coming out with Prey, last week.
Vega was coming out yesterday (March 9th).
Vega is coming out on 16th of May.
Vega is coming out on 30th of May in Computex.

Let alone all the rest of the crap. Is the same place which couldn't figure out the name of the Vega GPUs naming them 490s and 590s even after it was announced that this will be RX Vega.

And also is the same place which didn't saw the TXp coming! Since they are "so well connected". Total crap.

triss · 10 May 2017 at 06:59

Panos said:
Guys there is no Volta this year. Shield yes, was announced few weeks ago. But no Volta. Hell there is no GTX1080ti stock to fullfill two month old pre-orders.

Dont read WCCFTECH for news. They have none.
Is the same s-h-ite which "according to their sources" their headlines for vega the last few weeks only.

Vega was coming out with Prey, last week.
Vega was coming out yesterday (March 9th).
Vega is coming out on 16th of May.
Vega is coming out on 30th of May in Computex.

Let alone all the rest of the crap. Is the same place which couldn't figure out the name of the Vega GPUs naming them 490s and 590s even after it was announced that this will be RX Vega.

And also is the same place which didn't saw the TXp coming! Since they are "so well connected". Total crap.

To be fair to WCC some of it "Sources" come from forum posts here at times

Schnippzle · 10 May 2017 at 07:18

awaybreaktoday said:
Non-AMD related stuff

Good thing it was posted in a thread dedicated to AMD stuff....

TNA · 10 May 2017 at 07:54

Panos said:
Guys there is no Volta this year. Shield yes, was announced few weeks ago. But no Volta. Hell there is no GTX1080ti stock to fullfill two month old pre-orders.

Dont read WCCFTECH for news. They have none.
Is the same s-h-ite which "according to their sources" their headlines for vega the last few weeks only.

Vega was coming out with Prey, last week.
Vega was coming out yesterday (March 9th).
Vega is coming out on 16th of May.
Vega is coming out on 30th of May in Computex.

Let alone all the rest of the crap. Is the same place which couldn't figure out the name of the Vega GPUs naming them 490s and 590s even after it was announced that this will be RX Vega.

And also is the same place which didn't saw the TXp coming! Since they are "so well connected". Total crap.

Now watch Loadsa read this and then post a wccftech link. lol

beany_bot · 10 May 2017 at 08:01

Tute said:
I'd like to see it look like the 5870 Vapor-X personally. Gorgeous card.

I'm pretty much tied in to buying a Sappire card whatever GPU I choose because my rig theme is blue.

Good job they happen to be excellent and well priced cards on the whole!

old gamer · 10 May 2017 at 08:07

Tute said:
I'd like to see it look like the 5870 Vapor-X personally. Gorgeous card.

i like the vapor x cards myself, the 290 is my favorite