Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

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The Boxing Day hunt was (and still is, sans fox) a tradition around here and I wouldn't call us stuck up toffs. They pretty much loathe foxes in general as most of them have seen what a fox will do to a flock of hens or sheep. Foxes kill for sport, so I can get where they're coming from. I have no problem with culling foxes as they're a pest, but I don't particularly see the need to get dressed up to do it ceremonially. I can see why that rubs some people up the wrong way (though as I understand it, locally people enjoy the spectacle).
My father in law has ~10,000 free range chickens. He doesn't hate foxes, though will call the 'fox-man' in to deal with any which get problematic.

We get the hunt charging through our village from time to time. My wife used to tag along on a pony in her younger days. Not keen on it all myself.
 
She really stumbled and fluffed her answer about Maternity pay when asked by one of the staff on that company visit yesterday - poor show then if she was expecting the question
Harry Gratian interviewed her on Look North last night. He asked a question about why NHS staff in the region have had larger real-terms pay cuts than in other areas and she answered a completely different question. He failed to call her on it, so it seems there's something of an agreement in place that the media will continue to get access to her as long as they don't press her too hard. It's frustratingly obvious that she's either unwilling or incapable of answering policy questions honestly, and I don't really understand why we aren't making more of a big deal about it.
 
The hunts here were always leaving stray hounds when the thing was over. They'd be running around for days until they got hit by a car or just disappeared. Almost ploughed through a hunt once as they had camped up on the road on a blind bed.
 
Bankers and politicians are above the law innit.

Problem is the bar for prosecution was set high. I dont think there is any doubt that that forms submitted were false but that isnt enough to prosecute. In order to do that it has to be provable that the MPs knew it was false when they signed the forms. The MPs are stating that Party Office told them is was fine not to include the bus costs so therefore they are innocent (or it would be impossible to prove that they knew it was wrong)
 
Yea, we were the 5th largest economy in the world.....doesn't seem like they were holding us back that much...

But it hasn't advantaged us either, our growth since joining the EU is on par with other advanced economies outside the EU in the same period. It's almost as if whatever benefits we accrued from EU membership were offset by our loss of free trade with the rest of the world.

But, here's the reason leaving matters: the relative size of the EU's economy is shrinking! So it's very possible that equation will soon become unbalanced; in fact it arguably already is. Growth in the EU the last decade has been far lower than growth outside it.
 
But it hasn't advantaged us either, our growth since joining the EU is on par with other advanced economies outside the EU in the same period. It's almost as if whatever benefits we accrued from EU membership were offset by our loss of free trade with the rest of the world.

Just out of curiosity, how was the UK doing compared to the rest of Europe before joining the EEC?
 
But it hasn't advantaged us either, our growth since joining the EU is on par with other advanced economies outside the EU in the same period. It's almost as if whatever benefits we accrued from EU membership were offset by our loss of free trade with the rest of the world.

But, here's the reason leaving matters: the relative size of the EU's economy is shrinking! So it's very possible that equation will soon become unbalanced; in fact it arguably already is. Growth in the EU the last decade has been far lower than growth outside it.

Rubbish and false. Unless you pick none comparative economies outside of the EU. When we joined the EU we were the sick man of Europe and our growth had been running at half of what Germany, France and Italy were which is why we were so desperate to join.

Professor Nauro Campos of Brunel University has estimated how Britain would have fared if it had not joined the common market. He and his colleagues found the best approximation to Britain’s pre-1973 economic performance to be a combination of New Zealand and Argentina, which like the UK fell behind the US and continental Europe.

During the next 40 years, the UK economy outperformed those two countries by 23 per cent. According to the findings, Britain’s performance also surpassed the vast majority of 1,000 other combinations of countries whose record had previously resembled its own.

Daniel Vernazza of UniCredit has shown that UK trade with EU partners grew faster after 1973 than it did with the remaining countries in the European Free Trade Association, the grouping to which Britain previously belonged. His work underlines that harmonising regulations — an effort at the heart of the EU endeavour — was often much more effective in boosting trade than was lowering tariffs.

So our performance while been in the EU went from abysmal before to outperforming most of the world (comparative countries). You cant really compare us to China and India and expect our GDP should match them.

I you look as the average of all the advanced economies in the world it was 2.1 in 2015 and 1.6 in 2016, the UK outperformed those figures. Even the EU Euro area outperformed the average of the worlds' advanced economies last year (1.7 vs 1.6 the rest of the world)[/quote][/quote]
 
According to this we were only slightly behind Italy when we joined, and France/Germany were only marginally ahead. Ireland on the other had like half our GDP per capita.

maybe on actually gdp per capita but if you looked at the annual growth rates our GDP was only increasing by half of Germany, France and Italy so if that had kept up we would have started dropping behind on GDP per capita.
 
Well we took a GPD hit after joining but in a couple of years it had recovered and we quickly surpassed France/Italy/Germany, I have trouble believing it wouldn't have happened if we hadn't joined /shrug.
 
Rubbish and false. Unless you pick none comparative economies outside of the EU. When we joined the EU we were the sick man of Europe and our growth had been running at half of what Germany, France and Italy were which is why we were so desperate to join.

So our performance while been in the EU went from abysmal before to outperforming most of the world (comparative countries). You cant really compare us to China and India and expect our GDP should match them.

I you look as the average of all the advanced economies in the world it was 2.1 in 2015 and 1.6 in 2016, the UK outperformed those figures. Even the EU Euro area outperformed the average of the worlds' advanced economies last year (1.7 vs 1.6 the rest of the world)

Can you demonstrate that this was due to the EU as opposed to the market reforms of the Thatcher government? No, you cannot, because it simply isn't true. Of course we were struggling in the post-war era and we were the "sick man of Europe", that is not disputed, but it had nothing to do with being outside the EEC. But there is absolutely no proof that membership of the ECC changed that. It wasn't till Thatcher came in and crushed the unions that we picked up steam. Oh and Campos is not a neutral source, he worked for the bloody European Commission.

Also, I compared our economy to other developed economies, most of which grew by the same rate without EU membership.

To add to this. UK joined the EU in 1973. Between 1975 and 2015 the GDP growth by country was (worked out rather crudely and hurriedly) roughly:

UK: 12 times larger
US: 10 times larger
JP: 8.5 times larger
FR: 6.5 times larger
IT: 8.3 times larger
CAN: 8.9 times larger
NL: 5 times larger
AUS: 14 times larger.
 
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they were the buggers who put them in the first place, and then raised them to £3K with education education education.

If its going to be free, then the number of useless degrees needs to be dropped.
 
Fox hunting officially more important than the economy, education, NHS, tax reform, voting reform, rental control, industry investment... Amazing.

What a wonderful hope filled country, where savaging a random animal to death is the main political problem of the age.
 
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