So surely the conservatives are culpable for this whole brexit thing?
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So surely the conservatives are culpable for this whole brexit thing?
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Just saying I find it hypocritical that they are trying to sell us on austerity and cuts.
Labour are busy having a giggle, they know they haven't got a hope in hell of getting in this time so they can promise all sorts of tosh they know they'll never have to find a way to pay for which is why every time they get asked the fudge the numbers. It's just a spoiling tactic..
"Free University for everyone", "Under labour there will be free internet and sky TV for everyone", "Everyone in their 20's will get given a car of their choice up to the value of £15k", "We'll abolish that nuclear stuff and sell the navy to France", "Under labour we'll pay every Nurse <won't someone please think of the angelic nurses> a minimum salary for £45k per year as soon as they qualify and put a hospital on every street corner", "Under labour we will double the minimum wage and increase all benefits by 200%"
We'll make the rich pay for it, it's dead easy this economics stuff
Honest guv...
"Free University for everyone", "Under labour there will be free internet and sky TV for everyone", "Everyone in their 20's will get given a car of their choice up to the value of £15k", "We'll abolish that nuclear stuff and sell the navy to France", "Under labour we'll pay every Nurse <won't someone please think of the angelic nurses> a minimum salary for £45k per year as soon as they qualify and put a hospital on every street corner", "Under labour we will double the minimum wage and increase all benefits by 200%"
We'll make the rich pay for it, it's dead easy this economics stuff
Honest guv...
It just irks me whenever people try and blame them for Blair/Brown's debt mountain. When there's so much bad stuff they have done that they could be taken to task for.
Cuts and austerity to normal people and the poor. The rich and companies got tax breaks. Thats where all the money went.
The funny thing is, it's because of stuff like this that they are going to win so conclusively, the over the top memes may be great for amusing people who despite the tories, but all it does to the average swingable voter is turn them off the Corbynites.
One of many reasons.
Corbyn's army of supporters has been great for keeping him in power and bringing about change in the party but they have alienated so much of the voter base. Attacking the right of centre and right wing voters is one thing because they will never vote for a left wing candidate, but attacking the left of centre voter base because "Blairites are just Thatcherites in denial, hurr hurr" was/is just moronic, and by making themselves look worse than Tory supporters via all the abusive/offensive/stupid fake news memes and posts they have only succeeded in alienating vast portions of the swingable centre voters.
They never had much of a chance but they squandered it so badly
He means because of the over the top scaremongering by the same people, as with Brexit and the remain campaign it's 'the boy who cried wolf' where we keep getting told that the country will crash and burn and it never does so people just ignore them.
As opposed to the memes and over the top scaremongering from the Right side....how?
It was a ridiculous comment from Uber since both sides are just as guilty
Indeed.
One great example was ATOS (I know it was a Labour thing but it took the Tories years to fix), tell people that the assessments are unfair/rigged and they take notice (and did), tell people "ermagawd teh tories r killing peoples", "x people died after being declared fit for work!", etc and they will ignore you because you're an idiot.
Misinformation only serves to confuse people or damage the credibility of real information, it doesn't matter how scary the misinformation is.
Again both sides are doing it. We have Coalition of chaos and Corbyn will let anybody invade the country. It seems like politics are all just hyperbole and following the US model and nobody even needs to tell the truth anymore (okay they always was spin but in my book there is a world of difference between spin and lies -my local MP is standing on the platform against the local hospital closure and he states that percentage of the NHS privatized is now less than when Labour introduced it yet he wont link me to the proof when I challenge him and people just seem to accept what he is saying)
Yeah but the scale is the problem.
The message coming from the right is that Corbyn can't be trusted with running the country, it would be dangerous, etc. Essentially the same rhetoric they threw at Miliband, Blair and Kinnock. People expect it, and most of the swingable voters can see through it.
The message coming from the left in this election however is essentially **** the Tories, they're murderers and anyone who would even consider voting for them is a Nazi. People weren't expecting it and most of the swingable voters are a bit alarmed by the aggressive/violent nature of the attacks, plus most can see through them.
The right are essentially saying "if you agree with us more than them vote for us" while the left are saying "you should agree with us and if you don't then **** you Thatcherite scum". Ironically it's the die hard Corbyn supporters who have done more damage to his/Labour's chances than the Torys have.
Where's this been said?
There's extremes at either end. On the one hand you hear that ATOS is absolutely necessary because everyone is on the take and it's the exorbitant cost of benefits that is crippling this country... which is rubbish. On the other hand you hear that ATOS is killing benefit claimants left and right for the sheer hell of it... which is rubbish. The truth is somewhere in the middle, but no one ever won an election based on sensible, honest, balanced claims.
It's got a lot worse this time though, the Corbynites even attack the Blairites for not being left wing enough. Which is a double fail as attacking the left of centre voters means you can end up depending entirely on left wing votes to beat a right of centre opponent who has the benefit of right wing votes and even some of the left of centre voters you alienated.No, that's pretty much the same message about the Tories at every election
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