140mm fans for radiators

Adam123

Adam123

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Hi,

Anyone got any recommendations for 140mm radiator fans? Thinking of getting an EK CE280.

Quite a few options out there. Akasa Apaches or EK Varder are looking good to me at the moment.

Thanks
 
Much depends on how much airflow / fan rpm you plan to use. Lower speeds are quieter but flow less air. I like Thermalbench testing because he uses a Swiftech MCR140QP radiator which is 34mm thick with 12 FPI. EK CE280 is 44mm thick with 16 FPI so a little more resistance.
http://thermalbench.com/category/fans/
 
2nd vote for the Noctua ones. Using them on a 420 Blackice and they move a lot of air - however one recommendation. Use them in a pull configuration rather than push. They are not built for silence though - anything over 800 RPM and they get noticeable, at least in my setup where they are outside the case ( a NZXT Switch 810).
 
3rd vote for the Noctua's.

Have them on my Swiftech H240 in pull and they do a fantastic job of keeping the CPU cool. The static pressure rating on these is amazing too, struggling to find anything more attractive that comes anywhere near the performance of these fans.

Best

Wulf
 
doyll said:
Honestly the Phanteks PH-F140MP outperforms similar Noctua fans at similar rpm .. NF-A15, NF-A14 IPPC, etc.
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The PH-140XP would be more comparable? The PH-140MP has a more aggressive sound profile compared to the PH-140XP even though it is more static pressure optimised.
 
deFiniLoGy said:
The PH-140XP would be more comparable? The PH-140MP has a more aggressive sound profile compared to the PH-140XP even though it is more static pressure optimised.
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I have used NF-A15, PH-F140XP, PH-F140MP, PH-F140HP and many others and think the PH-F140MP sounds better and performs better than PH-F140XP .. which sound the same as PH-F140HP. HP, XP & SP are all same impeller with XP & HP being being PWM and SP being variable voltage.
 
doyll said:
I have used NF-A15, PH-F140XP, PH-F140MP, PH-F140HP and many others and think the PH-F140MP sounds better and performs better than PH-F140XP .. which sound the same as PH-F140HP. HP, XP & SP are all same impeller with XP & HP being being PWM and SP being variable voltage.
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Interesting... Coz on SilentPCReview they suggested the opposite, although they did the test on a air tower but the sound profile should be the same.

I've never really used F140MP myself so I can't comment but the sound profile of the F140XP/SP/HP is quite pleasant.
 
As a general rule SPCR do a pretty good review, but their PH-TC14S cooler review with PH-F140HP_II fan is hardly a good fan review. The TC14S is a small cooler with a big fan .. a 140x140mm fan on a 104mm wide cooler. I'm not surprised it performs better with a 120mm fan. ;)
If you want a fan review l prefer something like Thermalbench. Here is TY-147A SQ review graph of several fans including PH-F140MP flow to noise. You can see F140MP is right in there with other top tier fans.
http://imgur.com/m1wfSXy
Here is PH-F140MP
http://imgur.com/hajp9gN

Edit: here is image of fan TC14S with fan. Notice how much of fan is outside of finpack flow path.
http://www.pcgameware.co.uk/images/CPPH_017_2g.jpg
 
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doyll said:
As a general rule SPCR do a pretty good review, but their PH-TC14S cooler review with PH-F140HP_II fan is hardly a good fan review. The TC14S is a small cooler with a big fan .. a 140x140mm fan on a 104mm wide cooler. I'm not surprised it performs better with a 120mm fan. ;)
If you want a fan review l prefer something like Thermalbench. Here is TY-147A SQ review graph of several fans including PH-F140MP flow to noise. You can see F140MP is right in there with other top tier fans.
http://imgur.com/m1wfSXy
Here is PH-F140MP
http://imgur.com/hajp9gN
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Yes I'm aware of the fact that the cooling capacity of that fan is inconclusive in that review, the only thing that I took from that review is the fan noise profile analysis, which does suggest that the F140MP is more aggressive compared to the F140SP/XP/HP on an open config.

Whether or not the F140MP would have a better noise:flow ratio would be dependent on the fin density and airflow resistance of the radiator tbh.
 
deFiniLoGy said:
Whether or not the F140MP would have a better noise:flow ratio would be dependent on the fin density and airflow resistance of the radiator tbh.
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A fan's noise, pressure and cfm ratings are are not determined by radiator .. there are specifications of the fan. A fan's abiltiy to overcome radator resistance is determined by fan specifications .. honest test specifications.

Fin density and airflow resistance of radiator is all about the radiator, not the fan. ;)

I could post all kinds of data of cfm and mm H2O different fans produce at different rpm .. all showing just how good PH-F140MP does, but OcUK requires user have their own hosting for this kind of data and I'm not going to take the time to upload file to a host so I can post the images. You can got to http://www.coolingtechnique.com/
and search for whatever fan you are interested in, then look at the performance table and video page to see the performance data and graphs. You will see what I mean about PH-F140MP being among the best in the 1600rpm rage.
 
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deFiniLoGy said:
The PH-140XP would be more comparable? The PH-140MP has a more aggressive sound profile compared to the PH-140XP even though it is more static pressure optimised.
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This independent test data by CoolingTechnique shows basically what I have found to be true of the PH-F140MP impeller design used on PH-F140MP and PH-F140HP_II fans. PH-F140XP/HP/SP fans all use the same impeller design and are not as quiet, do not move as much air anddo not have as much ability to overcome resistant (mmH2O) as MP impeller design does
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I edited data so both impeller designs are in same chart. PH-F140TS/HP/XP/SP all have same impeller. Little red lines show similar rpm of fan to performance. I think you can see how the MP/HP_II has more airflow, less noise and higher pressure at all speeds.
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Here is
 
doyll said:
This independent test data by CoolingTechnique shows basically what I have found to be true of the PH-F140MP impeller design used on PH-F140MP and PH-F140HP_II fans. PH-F140XP/HP/SP fans all use the same impeller design and are not as quiet, do not move as much air anddo not have as much ability to overcome resistant (mmH2O) as MP impeller design does
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I edited data so both impeller designs are in same chart. PH-F140TS/HP/XP/SP all have same impeller. Little red lines show similar rpm of fan to performance. I think you can see how the MP/HP_II has more airflow, less noise and higher pressure at all speeds.
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Here is
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Thanks for the information.

While your information is quite clear numerically, I don't have time to review the methodology used behind these test to validate the data, and it also did not change the fact that in Silentpcreview the data suggested the exact opposite.

An additional point is that, as noted above, decibel is merely a numeric value for the amplitude of sound, while noise also takes the sound profile into account for obvious reason.

Btw you don't have to convince me, real world performance is much more important to me and if the fan sound aggressive to me I won't use it even when multiple sources suggest otherwise.

One clear example was when the Vardar first released, I was amongst the first who suggested its harmonic noise, and even their numeric noise:air flow value is superb, they place dead last in my fan choice list because that sound profile sound far too offensive to me.

TLDR: Thanks for your information :)
 
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