does anybody take any health supplement and think wow that works ?

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does anybody take any health supplement and think wow that works ?
taking rhodiola rosea at the moment and definitely know about it ,hd clarity dreams and loads of them but amazing mental clarity and a quest for knowledge ,brain turbo as it were . placebo ? too strong effects but will reassess in afew weeks.





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Been taking soluble multi vitamins most days since I started doing recreational, on top of commuting cycling. I dread to think what state i would be in most mornings if I wasn't taking them.;)
 
moon man said:
does anybody take any health supplement and think wow that works ?
taking rhodiola rosea at the moment and definitely know about it ,hd clarity dreams and loads of them but amazing mental clarity and a quest for knowledge ,brain turbo as it were . placebo ? too strong effects but will reassess in afew weeks.





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You get clarity dreams in HD?
 
I have lots of beer, and then when I stop drinking beer I feel a lot better after about half a day and swear to not do it again. Does that count?
 
moon man said:
does anybody take any health supplement and think wow that works ?
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aside from a placebo effect or something else deliberately added to the supplement purely to give some noticeable effect then I doubt it

most supplements are utterly pointless and will do little more for people than cause them to **** a funny yellow colour - things like multivitamins are an especially dubious waste of money for anyone who is able to eat a balanced diet
 
Right now I take:

Vitamin D (10k IU as the sun never kisses my bare skin)
Vitamin K2 (to help with the D)
Optimen Multivitamin
Glucosamine Sulphate
Omega fish oil tablets.

Most people who eat a balanced diet probably won't benefit from multivitamins, sure, but I'd say those who work out would get added benefits. If you sit on your arse all day then sure probably don't need them.

Do I feel them working? Well, I won't admit to seeing a night and day difference, it is definitely more gradual. More preventative than anything.
 
Tephnos said:
Most people who eat a balanced diet probably won't benefit from multivitamins, sure, but I'd say those who work out would get added benefits.
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How? What benefits and what evidence for those benefits assuming you've already got a balanced diet?
 
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal.../is-there-really-any-benefit-to-multivitamins

The researchers concluded that multivitamins don’t reduce the risk for heart disease, cancer, cognitive decline (such as memory loss and slowed-down thinking) or an early death. They also noted that in prior studies, vitamin E and beta-carotene supplements appear to be harmful, especially at high doses.

“Pills are not a shortcut to better health and the prevention of chronic diseases,” says Larry Appel, M.D., director of the Johns Hopkins Welch Center for Prevention, Epidemiology and Clinical Research. “Other nutrition recommendations have much stronger evidence of benefits—eating a healthy diet, maintaining a healthy weight, and reducing the amount of saturated fat, trans fat, sodium and sugar you eat.”
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https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/more-evidence-that-routine-multivitamin-use-should-be-avoided/

If scientific evidence guides our health decisions, we will look back at the vitamin craze of the last few decades with disbelief. Indiscriminate use is, in most cases, probably useless and potentially harmful. We are collectively throwing away billions of dollars into supplements, chasing the idea of benefits that have never materialized. Multivitamins are marketed with a veneer of science but that image is a mirage – rigorous testing doesn’t support the health claims. But I don’t think the routine use of vitamins will disappear anytime soon. It’s a skillfully-marketed panacea that about half of us buy into.

Not all vitamin and mineral supplementation is useless. They can be used appropriately, when our decisions are informed by scientific evidence: Folic acid prevents neural tube defects in the developing fetus. Vitamin B12 can reverse anemia. Vitamin D is recommended for breastfeeding babies to prevent deficiency. Vitamin K injections in newborns prevent potentially catastrophic bleeding events. But the most common reason for taking vitamins isn’t a clear need, but rather our desire to “improve overall health”. It’s deemed “primary prevention” – the belief that we’re just filling in the gaps in our diet. Others may believe that if vitamins are good, then more vitamins must be better. And there is no debate that we need dietary vitamins to live. The case for indiscriminate supplementation, however, has never been established. We’ve been led to believe, through very effective marketing, that taking vitamins is beneficial to our overall health – even if our health status is reasonably good. So if supplements truly provide real benefits, then we should be able to verify this claim by studying health effects in populations of people that consume vitamins for years at a time. Those studies have been done. Different endpoints, different study populations, and different combinations of vitamins. The evidence is clear. Routine multivitamin supplementation doesn’t offer any meaningful health benefits. The parrot is dead.
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It does seem that some gym queens tend to fall for the marketing when it comes to supplements and get a bit overenthusiastic about them.
 
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/1380451

Results During a median (interquartile range) follow-up of 11.2 (10.7-13.3) years, there were 2669 men with confirmed cancer, including 1373 cases of prostate cancer and 210 cases of colorectal cancer. Compared with placebo, men taking a daily multivitamin had a statistically significant reduction in the incidence of total cancer (multivitamin and placebo groups, 17.0 and 18.3 events, respectively, per 1000 person-years; hazard ratio
, 0.92; 95% CI, 0.86-0.998; P = .04). There was no significant effect of a daily multivitamin on prostate cancer (multivitamin and placebo groups, 9.1 and 9.2 events, respectively, per 1000 person-years; HR, 0.98; 95% CI, 0.88-1.09; P = .76), colorectal cancer (multivitamin and placebo groups, 1.2 and 1.4 events, respectively, per 1000 person-years; HR, 0.89; 95% CI, 0.68-1.17; P = .39), or other site-specific cancers. There was no significant difference in the risk of cancer mortality (multivitamin and placebo groups, 4.9 and 5.6 events, respectively, per 1000 person-years; HR, 0.88; 95% CI, 0.77-1.01; P = .07). Daily multivitamin use was associated with a reduction in total cancer among 1312 men with a baseline history of cancer (HR, 0.73; 95% CI, 0.56-0.96; P = .02), but this did not differ significantly from that among 13 329 men initially without cancer (HR, 0.94; 95% CI, 0.87-1.02; P = .15; P for interaction = .07).

Conclusion In this large prevention trial of male physicians, daily multivitamin supplementation modestly but significantly reduced the risk of total cancer.
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http://jn.nutrition.org/content/early/2015/01/07/jn.114.204743.abstract

Results: We observed no significant association between CVD mortality and users of MVMs or MVs compared with nonusers; however, when users were classified by the reported length of time products were used, a significant association was found with MVM use of >3 y compared with nonusers (HR: 0.65; 95% CI: 0.49, 0.85). This finding was largely driven by the significant association among women (HR: 0.56; 95% CI: 0.37, 0.85) but not men (HR: 0.79; 95% CI: 0.44, 1.42). No significant association was observed for MV products and CVD mortality in fully adjusted models.

Conclusions: In this nationally representative data set with detailed information on supplement use and CVD mortality data ∼20 y later, we found an association between MVM use of >3 y and reduced CVD mortality risk for women when models controlled for age, race, education, body mass index, alcohol, aspirin use, serum lipids, blood pressure, and blood glucose/glycated hemoglobin. Our results are consistent with the 1 available RCT in men, indicating no relation with MVM use and CVD mortality.
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And here's a simple truth: Practically none of us eat enough of a healthy diet, even the health fobs, to get everything they need. It's always easier said than done.
 
If you're eating a regular, healthy diet you do not need supplements.

Supplements are an expensive way to change the colour of your urine. That's about all.
 
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