Hong Kong's "coffin cubicles"

Restrict breeding. Simple as. Having a population that is free to do whatever it wants without a second thought have as many kinds as the want and in a lot of instances claim benefits for them is ridiculous. 2 people 2 kids max. Once those 2 kids have been had compulsory sterilisation. If we can cull animals due to over population we can at least look at our own bulging mass.
 
Oh well in that case no it will never happen. Councils don't have the money to cover such a scheme.

And if you have planning, if you have water, power, roads, police rubbish collection etc you haven't made your low cost set free utopia you've made the world's most expensive caravan park...great for commuting to London though you are gonna need a mortgage to get a space

it will never happen anyway. and of course councils could afford it, they can afford it now, nothing changes. As for services that would depend on your planning permissions. Nothing wrong if you install off grid technology.
Right to live on land, does not in any way mean no planning or regulations.
 
Restrict breeding. Simple as. Having a population that is free to do whatever it wants without a second thought have as many kinds as the want and in a lot of instances claim benefits for them is ridiculous. 2 people 2 kids max. Once those 2 kids have been had compulsory sterilisation. If we can cull animals due to over population we can at least look at our own bulging mass.

They could do that with fat people too, limit their food. I do that with my dogs when they look a little bit podgy.
 
Restrict breeding. Simple as. Having a population that is free to do whatever it wants without a second thought have as many kinds as the want and in a lot of instances claim benefits for them is ridiculous. 2 people 2 kids max. Once those 2 kids have been had compulsory sterilisation. If we can cull animals due to over population we can at least look at our own bulging mass.
Pension pyramid scheme says hi.
 
Better to cull off the oldies than limiting births.

Then again if we're in the world where councils do somehow have enough money to fund 10,000+ traveller influx sites with off grid technology, immediate access to schooling and medical facilities, transport connections etc... what are your plans for making them pay council tax to upkeep these facilities or are they going to plant money trees to pay for it all?
 
Better to cull off the oldies than limiting births.

Then again if we're in the world where councils do somehow have enough money to fund 10,000+ traveller influx sites with off grid technology, immediate access to schooling and medical facilities, transport connections etc... what are your plans for making them pay council tax to upkeep these facilities or are they going to plant money trees to pay for it all?
why would council pay for off grid technology,

why would council need any more money for schools, hospitals, transport etc, we aren't suddenly cloning people, the same number of people exist and of course they still pay council tax. Same crazy nonsense posts like the last few, utterly no thought before you posted that at all.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/...g-kong-coffin-cubicles-cage-homes-in-pictures

Just stumbled upon this photo report. Utterly depressing - having to cook next to a toilet, bleurgh. How long before we see similar living conditions in London? We've already seen some pretty depressing properties for rent in London - one where a flat's kitchen had been turned into its own studio apartment was particularly depressing, but at least there was room to stand up in that. My worry is if we keep on increasing our population at an unsustainable rate, and property prices keep rising then it's only a matter of time before we get to that state :(


Rubbish like that is usually the result of unregulated landlords and a lack of human rights, you should probably vote Labour.
 
Restrict breeding. Simple as. Having a population that is free to do whatever it wants without a second thought have as many kinds as the want and in a lot of instances claim benefits for them is ridiculous. 2 people 2 kids max. Once those 2 kids have been had compulsory sterilisation. If we can cull animals due to over population we can at least look at our own bulging mass.
We've already got a birth rate of 2.
 
Yes it's bad, but remember this is Hong Kongs solution to homelessness. I'd rather see 1000 places to live like this than 1000 homeless. London does no have a solution to homelessness.
To say there is a single solution would be a bit naive, however gaining employment and being drug free are a good start. There's an incredible amount of support for those who choose to engage with it.

https://www.crisis.org.uk/
http://www.shp.org.uk/
http://sfts.org.uk/
https://centrepoint.org.uk/
https://www.salvationarmy.org.uk/homelessness
http://www.mungos.org/
http://www.thamesreach.org.uk/what-we-do/

To name a few.
 
Part of the issue with these is the mess and the unsanitary conditions - if done in less of an ad-hoc way you could have separate shower rooms, toilets and kitchen areas. With pods more like the Japanese hotels then this could be a more reasonable option - especially if you're say a student and rarely in your accommodation.


We've already got a birth rate of 2.

unfortunately the people who give birth lots and at a younger age tend to be poorer/low skilled people whereas smarter/higher educated people who contribute the most economically to society tend to have fewer kids and at an older age. It isn't a good trend and there perhaps is something to be said for strongly discouraging more than 2 kids through

we probably also need to look at who we let into the country too - not that I'm anti immigration but frankly we don't deal very well with illegal immigration or failed asylum applications and in future, when we're out of the EU, we will need to do something re: unskilled migration too
 
We've got loads of room. Whats the alternative, we never build another house? Strict two child policy across the board? Utter economic stagnation?
Aside from curbing multiple ownership, how about making use of all the empty houses and office complexes that already exist?
We have loads round here, yet they're instead trying for two more brand new estates just begging for more foreign investment...

Who would collect the rubish and run the sewage systems for all these new dwellings with zero planning?
As far as sewage goes, we have to have a whole business unit comprising several different departments, just to deal with all the existing unplanned connections - Seriously, between developers, builders, owners, planners, engineers, CDM and the local council, nobody thought to tell the water companies they're needing water and sewerage services for 1,000 new homes?
Far too often, the first we hear of it is when something goes wrong with their illegal connections!
 
Aside from curbing multiple ownership, how about making use of all the empty houses and office complexes that already exist?
We have loads round here, yet they're instead trying for two more brand new estates just begging for more foreign investment...

That is ignoring the problem which is people wanting to live in a specific area, pointing out that there is plenty of space in some other area doesn't necessarily solve it. China has loads of space, people still flock to Hong Kong.

Likewise Reading has existed for a while along with Slough, Croydon and all the other depressing areas around London - demand for space in Central London is still high and empty space in some random commuter town isn't necessarily the solution
 
why would council pay for off grid technology,

why would council need any more money for schools, hospitals, transport etc, we aren't suddenly cloning people, the same number of people exist and of course they still pay council tax. Same crazy nonsense posts like the last few, utterly no thought before you posted that at all.

So in your 10,000 people traveller site suddenly a school is built for free, because it costs nothing to relocate an entire school, all of it's facilities, the furniture, the books... how does it get built? Is it built for free? Do the travellers carry around their own school with them with enough resources for 2,000 students. Where do you get those teachers from? Are they part of that 10,000 group? Usually not because most of the teachers I know are able to buy or rent suitable housing and wouldn't be "slumming it". How is your council now going to find 70 teachers? Were there 70 teachers local who were out of work and if so why were they? Usually because the council can't afford to keep them all on if that was the case.

Yes people are not being cloned, they are MOVING, but the facilities do not move with the people. New people move into the houses vacated by those moving so those facilities are still being used and NEW facilities are needed on the NEW site, because people are living longer and more people are coming into the country, so there are MORE people and we need MORE facilities, which need to be paid for from somewhere and a travelling site does not usually pay tax. Why would you pay tax when your property isn't fixed?
 
Does no one remember Kowloon Walled City

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Hong Kong has had some pretty nasty places to live over the years.
 
That is ignoring the problem which is people wanting to live in a specific area, pointing out that there is plenty of space in some other area doesn't necessarily solve it. China has loads of space, people still flock to Hong Kong.
Who said anything about specific areas, or indeed other areas?
I'm talking about the housing shortages and plans for new builds both in areas where they already have plenty of buildings that would be a better option.

demand for space in Central London is still high and empty space in some random commuter town isn't necessarily the solution
The solution to that kind of problem is to move whatever it is in London that people want, to some other town. People generally go there because that's where the work is... or at least the high-paying work.
Part of the reason places like Reading develop and become popular is that companies like to cite their HQs here, or some large facility. Expedia, Microsoft, Hays, Yell.com, Cisco, Harrods, BP, Deloittes, Waitrose, SAP, KPMG, HomeServe, Unilever, ScrewFix, American Express, GSK, the BBC, Accenture and Google all have important (to their business) facilities here and are big-time employers that people want to work for. This brings people here to work and live, which brings better infrastructure and makes Reading better connected for those commuting in... but commuting works both ways, so many in Reading now commute out to places like London again.
That's a big factor in the problem.
 
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