PC for editing 4k video
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It can happen unfortunately.
You could set the XMP again and try manually setting a slightly lower frequency. That should remain stable...
Hopefully the F7 Official release will see you 2933MHz stable.
EDIT: Or if you're use to playing within the BIOS you could play with timings - you could slacken the timings (especially from 1t to 2t) and try and retain the 2933MHz.
Look out for cold boot issues...
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@Plec
Thanks for your advice. I do not mind get my hands "dirty" messing around in the BIOS. If the worst comes to the worst, then I only have to short the pins out and reset the BIOS. I have done it twice this morning.
The problem is that some menu items are linked and just changing the RAM frequencies on their own seems confusing and illogical in the menu. That is compared to my old X58 board that I found relatively easy.
Have you tried it? Has anybody written any procedures yet? Possibly a little earlier given this is new stuff with a Beta BIOS.
Edited. Since writing the above and asking questions, I have been trying different settings. I found I could increase the memory frequency by typing in the the desired frequency. I am testing with 2666 but you cannot change the voltage, it stays on 1.20 volts.
Edited again. I found the setting for the DRAM voltage and now running 1.35 volts. However I can now see why this BIOS is still in Beta, because when I set Ultra Fast Boot in the settings, I could not get back into the BIOS by pressing the delete key, I had to short the pins out on the motherboard to clear it.
Thanks for your advice. I do not mind get my hands "dirty" messing around in the BIOS. If the worst comes to the worst, then I only have to short the pins out and reset the BIOS. I have done it twice this morning.
The problem is that some menu items are linked and just changing the RAM frequencies on their own seems confusing and illogical in the menu. That is compared to my old X58 board that I found relatively easy.
Have you tried it? Has anybody written any procedures yet? Possibly a little earlier given this is new stuff with a Beta BIOS.
Edited. Since writing the above and asking questions, I have been trying different settings. I found I could increase the memory frequency by typing in the the desired frequency. I am testing with 2666 but you cannot change the voltage, it stays on 1.20 volts.
Edited again. I found the setting for the DRAM voltage and now running 1.35 volts. However I can now see why this BIOS is still in Beta, because when I set Ultra Fast Boot in the settings, I could not get back into the BIOS by pressing the delete key, I had to short the pins out on the motherboard to clear it.
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Hey Gun Runner
Sounds like you've self navigated yourself to the right areas.
You can manipulate the memory as much as you like voltages/frequency/timings - as you've found out. I've been fortunate but used different branded memory in the builds I did and they have proved very resilient. Others haven't had the same luck so it really is a lottery.
I would have thought 2666MHz at 1.35 with XMP timings would/should run - especially with F6 BIOS or later (I tend to avoid setting like 'Ultra Fast Boot' as I've found features like this can kneecap clocked settings before they start - memory included).
Hope your tinkering has led to some success...
Sounds like you've self navigated yourself to the right areas.
You can manipulate the memory as much as you like voltages/frequency/timings - as you've found out. I've been fortunate but used different branded memory in the builds I did and they have proved very resilient. Others haven't had the same luck so it really is a lottery.
I would have thought 2666MHz at 1.35 with XMP timings would/should run - especially with F6 BIOS or later (I tend to avoid setting like 'Ultra Fast Boot' as I've found features like this can kneecap clocked settings before they start - memory included).
Hope your tinkering has led to some success...
@Plec
Thanks for your advice on monitors. I had a problem viewing good middle range monitors, but eventually found a supplier where I could sit in front of them and get a feel for what I wanted and needed given my long distance vision problem.
Eventually I went for a 32" Benq BL3200PT 32" WQHD
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/benq...lim-bezel-flicker-free-monitor-mo-099-bq.html
and a...
GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-32k-ms.html
Needless to say I am well chuffed with this complete upgrade.
Thanks for your advice on monitors. I had a problem viewing good middle range monitors, but eventually found a supplier where I could sit in front of them and get a feel for what I wanted and needed given my long distance vision problem.
Eventually I went for a 32" Benq BL3200PT 32" WQHD
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/benq...lim-bezel-flicker-free-monitor-mo-099-bq.html
and a...
GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-32k-ms.html
Needless to say I am well chuffed with this complete upgrade.
No worries GunRunner - glad it appears to have all worked out for you.
Looks like a quality unit - and the VA panels give superior blacks which i'm guessing will be beneficial for your usage.
Glad to read your pleased with the overall upgrade - it's a quality build and should munch its way through its intended use.
Update. Nope.....this RAM seems to have a problem at 2666Mhz as well with repeated crashes. I put it back to default and it has been working fine after 3 crashes in quick succession. I will have to try it again at higher frequencies once a later more stable BIOS has been released.
That's unfortunate - as it should hit 2667MHz at stock at 1.35V with your motherboard (it's not classed as an OC) - but different users/members have had different experiences and 2400MHz is still their only option. :/
Personally, I've since stopped recommending Vulcan T-Force 3000MHz (unless it's for budget builds) as i had a similar issue with a build and eventually swapped it out for Corsair lpx which i've had repeated success with - whether its 3000MHz or 3200MHz kits using the same motherboard (but i've only done 3 builds and 2 others 'virtually' via the forum - so not definitive). But have assumed that the kits were hitting 2667MHz as people weren't coming back posting they were having problems (would be interesting to know users success rate).
I've just looked and OcUK pre-builds are using 2400MHz Team Vulcan as the starting point - but then move on to Team Dark Pro or Corsair LPX for higher memory speed selections - so the better quality memory may be a factor here. Has proved the case for me personally - so far 100% - but only a small test amount/builds.
Are you still within your return window via DSR? If you are it may be worth considering swapping them for the 3000MHz Corsair set - but obviously there's still no guarantee you'll get the same results that i have had. It really is still very much a lottery - but there is evidence that some memory is more slutty than others. And a lot of self build forum members are reporting success with with the Corsair sets hitting 3000MHz using just the XMP. 100% stable and no cold boot issues. And if they don't hit 2933MHz would have hoped they were hitting 2667MHz. Trouble is - some builders wont even realise they're running at auto - so difficult to gather definitive data.
But you could find yourself stable with future AGESA/BIOS releases - in which case the cheaper memory will come into its own...
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Some very strange goings on! After a while Chrome locks up and everything slows right down. It is as though I am running a 286 or a 386 (you remember those) and everything works as though it is like treacle. The biggest problem is that after restarting the machine and working for 5 minutes or so the right context menu is not available to me. Nothing, no matter where I click on the desktop. I have uninstalled all the little utilities that came with the motherboard and the graphics card. I have been into the BIOS and used the default boot settings several times, but to no avail.
Just wondering if this all to do with the RAM. Perhaps not.
So far I have browsed for 30 minutes (yes getting late - but time on hands) just using Microsoft Edge and everything is running smoothly with the right hand mouse context menu appearing immediately.
I have now completely uninstalled Chrome. Just need to test for a while and see how things work out.
Update. More testing this morning.
I downloaded the latest version of Chrome and so far so good. This latest version has controls and buttons as per Windows 10 and I can now run the context menu from the right mouse button. 
So far I have browsed for 30 minutes (yes getting late - but time on hands) just using Microsoft Edge and everything is running smoothly with the right hand mouse context menu appearing immediately.
I have now completely uninstalled Chrome. Just need to test for a while and see how things work out.
Update. More testing this morning.
I downloaded the latest version of Chrome and so far so good. This latest version has controls and buttons as per Windows 10 and I can now run the context menu from the right mouse button.
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Sadly, i do - although my first built PC was a mighty P75.
I wouldn't completely discount the memory.
I always view it with suspicion - from the time it enters the board until the time it's either swapped out or passed on. Then I start eyeing up the new stuff (i've not been lucky with memory)...
What are your present memory settings? If you're on auto and still having issues i would run memtest and let it run a through a few passes.
Have you looked at Event Viewer after these problems occur?
Also, have you looked at HDD activity during these times? SSD's are great - but their silence can sometimes hide a problem that used to be obvious if you can't see the activity light.
@Plec
Thanks for your advice.
1. I have always been suspicious of memory. To me after building upwards of 100 PCs from 1991 onward, this has always been the component that I have fitted with trepidation. I am currently running on default but only to see if the later version of Chrome is working OK. It is fine so I am going to fiddle with the memory timings again.
2. The strange viewing (erratic) experience I had with the context menu led me down several paths. I even changed my cable from HDMI to Display Port and it worked for 10 minutes and then exhibited the same fault, so I changed back to HDMI. This cable choice is recommended for colour on the BenQ. I also suspected the paging file and disconnected the 120GB Intel SSD that I was using for this process, but this made no difference.
3. Now that I have stability with this latest version of Chrome, I am going to test as thoroughly as I can and then refocus on the RAM and the stability of it on this motherboard. I have not used memtest for several years. Do you know what/when/where the latest version can be found?
4. Interestingly, all the context menus and lower down the order menus worked a lot quicker, once I deleted the old Chrome and tried Microsoft Edge and the later Chrome. So it is most likely that the earlier Chrome was the problem.
More testing to come.
Thanks for your advice.
1. I have always been suspicious of memory. To me after building upwards of 100 PCs from 1991 onward, this has always been the component that I have fitted with trepidation. I am currently running on default but only to see if the later version of Chrome is working OK. It is fine so I am going to fiddle with the memory timings again.
2. The strange viewing (erratic) experience I had with the context menu led me down several paths. I even changed my cable from HDMI to Display Port and it worked for 10 minutes and then exhibited the same fault, so I changed back to HDMI. This cable choice is recommended for colour on the BenQ. I also suspected the paging file and disconnected the 120GB Intel SSD that I was using for this process, but this made no difference.
3. Now that I have stability with this latest version of Chrome, I am going to test as thoroughly as I can and then refocus on the RAM and the stability of it on this motherboard. I have not used memtest for several years. Do you know what/when/where the latest version can be found?
4. Interestingly, all the context menus and lower down the order menus worked a lot quicker, once I deleted the old Chrome and tried Microsoft Edge and the later Chrome. So it is most likely that the earlier Chrome was the problem.
More testing to come.
Here is a link to the memtest i use - Clicky - you'll need to make a bootable ISO. It's a 'dedicated' memory stability test and runs within its own pure environment (No OS required or interfering)
I would let it do a few runs/passes - but have let it to run overnight if i'm very suspicious of the memory.
The other thing i would check is when Windows updated to Creator - it's caused a range of issues for some of users, intermittent lag being one of them. )Your Chrome/EDGE issues also being a factor in me mentioning this - as the update totally ballsed up my laptop EDGE use before an additional update.)
MS - have released fixes but it's still proving to be a PITA for some systems.
I would let it do a few runs/passes - but have let it to run overnight if i'm very suspicious of the memory.
The other thing i would check is when Windows updated to Creator - it's caused a range of issues for some of users, intermittent lag being one of them. )Your Chrome/EDGE issues also being a factor in me mentioning this - as the update totally ballsed up my laptop EDGE use before an additional update.)
MS - have released fixes but it's still proving to be a PITA for some systems.
@Plec
More back tracking and testing Saturday and Sunday. I still kept getting problems with Chrome. Contrary to what I stated previously, the new version still gives me the "no context menu from the right hand mouse click". This no menu problem shows soon after I have logged in and even before I have run the Chrome browser. Perhaps it is because I have lots of links/icons on my desktop. I don't really care what the reasons are, it is a problem, so I have now uninstalled it and started using Microsoft Edge.
Testing with Microsoft Edge has solved this right hand mouse context menu display issue with it working correctly each time. Also with this configuration, I have been able to run the RAM at 2666Mhz at 1.35 with no problems so far.
Last night I downloaded the latest memtest and ran it for 11 hours. The RAM is good. No errors.
I am now running CPUID HWMonitor and the latest Prime95. Everything is running fine so far.
More back tracking and testing Saturday and Sunday. I still kept getting problems with Chrome. Contrary to what I stated previously, the new version still gives me the "no context menu from the right hand mouse click". This no menu problem shows soon after I have logged in and even before I have run the Chrome browser. Perhaps it is because I have lots of links/icons on my desktop. I don't really care what the reasons are, it is a problem, so I have now uninstalled it and started using Microsoft Edge.
Testing with Microsoft Edge has solved this right hand mouse context menu display issue with it working correctly each time. Also with this configuration, I have been able to run the RAM at 2666Mhz at 1.35 with no problems so far.
Last night I downloaded the latest memtest and ran it for 11 hours. The RAM is good. No errors.
I am now running CPUID HWMonitor and the latest Prime95. Everything is running fine so far.
There are known issues with HWMonitor and the AM4 platform.
It may have been patched - but would consider uninstalling if you start getting other strange anomalies.
No errors. Using latest version:
Version 1.31
March 2017
Contact : [email protected]
Web page: http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
CPUID SDK : http://www.cpuid-pro.com/products-system-monitoring-kit.php
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I am currently running RAM at 2666Mhz. So far nice and stable. Next frequency?
It's not been updated - but not all users have experienced problems. Plus, i get the impression you're not a heavy gamer so you may be unlikely to have any issues. Worth keeping an eye out...
Have you flashed to the latest Official F7 BIOS?
If not i would try that before attempting 2933MHz.
Yes. Now running the F7 at 2933Mhz
Hopefully, this will remain stable.
Again, look out for cold boot issues even if on the surface it appears stable (may only show itself as a problem 1 in 5 boots).
If you run into problems you could bump up the memory voltage to 1.32V/1.35 (incremental bumps) or/combined with slightly looser timings.
Suspect, you're getting used to the environment now - not that it was alien to you anyway with your experience.
I have started off with 1.35v.
It did give me a problem with not booting the second time after BIOS replacement. Will have to test more to see if it manifests itself. I do not have a problem if it does it 1 in 5 anyway.Yes, my bad, I had another person in mind when typing that - he started at 1.3V - different memory.
The 1 in 5 has a habit of developing into other issues for some users - like looping. But if it stays consistent then as you say - not really a major problem.