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...is the address of the Stubhub collection point office in the West End. Just in case anyone else was trying to get Foo Fighters tickets today and is 'pleased' to see them up on StubHub, Viagogo etc. all of 8mins after they sold out :mad: I'm not inferring anyone do anything stupid, but you know, if you wanted to go and pay them a visit or something.. :mad:

I tried O2 presale with a friend's code, sold out.. then general sale was sold out in about 2mins. Straight up on these sites for £400 odd. Absolutely disgusting. I can't believe the O2 actually partners with these scum.
 
I didn't try to get tickets for this, but I totally agree with you. The ticket industry needs a major shake up. These people are just blood suckers.denying genuine fans the opportunity to see their favourite acts. Disgusting.
 
As long as people buy tickets from these people they'll keep doing it. Unfortunately this is one of those cases where the price people are prepared to pay dictates what that price becomes - it's what the market will bear. The promoters don't care so long as the tickets are off their hands, that's their money made. The resellers don't care because they're not actually doing anything illegal and they can easily make loads of cash. The fans seemingly don't care because they keep buying the bloody tickets at whatever price is demanded of them. Something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it at the end of the day.

So no, I've not got a solution. This is supply and demand. Does the government really not have anything better to do than introduce some sort of regulator to manage this?
 
Band charges £50 for ticket to see them.

Viagogo (or whoever) then sells them for £350 profit.

I'm going to go mental here and make a comparison between a person that downloads said bands album and sells it down the pub to make profit, and these professional touts. There isn't much difference in my eyes, it's profiting off someone else's work, ideas and talent without (hopefully) the permission of the artist.
 
The problem is the companies charged with selling tickets. They don't care who they sell them to and if a "back-hander" is offered to sell a resell company a load then they will go for it.
I remain convinced that the only way forward is with personalised tickets - names & addresses on the ticket and ID required on entry. I know it will be a logistical nightmare, and no it won't solve all issues but it has to solve some.

I've been lucky with tickets in the past, but like many I've missed out and then seen the tickets on sale at Ebay minutes later. I've also lucked out on reseller's - wife desperately wanted to see The Killers a few years back and I missed out. Foudn someone on Ebay with "2 extra tickets" and I paid £5 over the cover price - he told me he'd had a couple of mates drop out and wasn't looking to profit.
 
Fubsy said:
Band charges £50 for ticket to see them.

Viagogo (or whoever) then sells them for £350 profit.

I'm going to go mental here and make a comparison between a person that downloads said bands album and sells it down the pub to make profit, and these professional touts. There isn't much difference in my eyes, it's profiting off someone else's work, ideas and talent without (hopefully) the permission of the artist.
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You're right, you did go mental there because that's an awful comparison :p

Matey down the pub selling ripped CD's isn't stopping somebody else from buying a legit CD from HMV whereas event tickets are limited.
 
unless someone raises one of those petition things to get the monopolies commission to look at ticketmast nothing is going to change. even when they contempuously throw stuff in your face by saying tickets are sold out but you can get them at another site for a much higher price and that site just happens to be owned by them, nothing is done. the whole business of seeing gigs leaves a sour taste now, from having to pay for box office collection of your tickets to barely being able to choose a seat in some cases, and "service charges" for the ticket. they must be raking in thousands per event just from that alone.
 
wolfie138 said:
unless someone raises one of those petition things to get the monopolies commission to look at ticketmast nothing is going to change. even when they contempuously throw stuff in your face by saying tickets are sold out but you can get them at another site for a much higher price and that site just happens to be owned by them, nothing is done. the whole business of seeing gigs leaves a sour taste now, from having to pay for box office collection of your tickets to barely being able to choose a seat in some cases, and "service charges" for the ticket. they must be raking in thousands per event just from that alone.
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Who sits at a gig? :p;)

I think it's getting worse due to the fact musicians make little money from albums and streaming now. More of their income comes from playing live than it used to, so no wonder some agents/managers are getting a little bit more greedy when it comes to it. As a sidenote, the girlfriend and I were looking at flying to Berlin, grabbing a $70eur day pass to Lollapalooza to see them. Not much more expensive if we got a deal on flights, and we'd get a weekend in Berlin :o

Isn't it illegal to tout football tickets? How do they enforce that? :confused:
 
its disgusting what these re sellers can get away with , didn't ebay get banned from selling tickets? , how come these blood suckers can get away with it ?
 
Isn't this just a case of market forces working effectively? Why are you entitled to a ticket for £100 when someone else will pay £400 for it? If the tickets were at the 'right' price, you'd not be able to afford them at the price O2 were retailing them for in the first place.

It's not a monopoly because there is competition in the form of other entertainment.
 
Participant said:
Isn't this just a case of market forces working effectively? Why are you entitled to a ticket for £100 when someone else will pay £400 for it? If the tickets were at the 'right' price, you'd not be able to afford them at the price O2 were retailing them for in the first place.

It's not a monopoly because there is competition in the form of other entertainment.
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The same as people buying limited things and keeping them until they're worth money? If the artists wanted to sell them for hundreds they could, but they price than at a level that genuine fans can afford. In this case many genuine fans are priced out of going by leeches with no interest in the artist, only in profit.
 
MissChief said:
If the artists wanted to sell them for hundreds they could, but they price than at a level that genuine fans can afford. In this case many genuine fans are priced out of going by leeches with no interest in the artist, only in profit.
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Aren't they free to negotiate the amount they make with the concert organisers?

As for 'genuine fans', one possible measure of the most genuine fan could be the one that's prepared to pay the most.

MissChief said:
The same as people buying limited things and keeping them until they're worth money?
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Nothing wrong with that.
 
Participant said:
Isn't this just a case of market forces working effectively?
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Sigh. No, it's not.

It's a fixed market if a company has a backdoor in to buy up hundreds of tickets whilst blocking genuine consumers. Which is exactly what happened. How can I be unable to get two tickets, yet StubHub and Viagogo can get hundreds between them. The 'market forces' is a total nonsense in this case. If the authorities believed it was fair then they wouldn't have made it illegal for football games would they..
 
People need to stop buying from these places at inflated prices simple as unfortunately as a civilisation we struggle when it comes to collective action and thought :s at the end of the day its no better than any of the other scummy practises for making money for old rope.
 
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