Changing mortgage with two parts

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So I can make the conversation relevant here are some generalities:

House value: £300,000
Mortgage Part 1: £70,000 (3.29% 5 year fix that ends in January 2018)
Mortgage Part 2: £140,000 (1.79% 2 year fix that ends in August 2017)
LTV: 70%

Part 1 of the mortgage is from a previous 5 year fixed that I got when I was a bachelor and bought a flat.

Part 2 (the larger part that's ending this year) is from when we bought a new house (sold the flat) and we were advised it might make sense to align the two parts sooner rather than later.

Aligning them does make sense in my head. At the moment I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place because I can't move just one part of the mortgage to another provider - I'd need to take both AND pay early repayment fees (~£3,500) on Part 1 because it's not near to its end date.

Conversely, I don't want to just let the current fix rate go onto the standard variable rate as it's 4.74%.

Simply changing to a new rate with the current bank, the best offer available to me is: 2 years fixed at 1.69% with no fee. It's better than it is currently, but compared to other providers that deal isn't that great - in addition, it puts me in the same place come January 2018 where I'll be tied to the same bank as I'd have to pay early repayment fees to get out again.

So, it looks like I'd have to move to a tracker as these don't appear to incur fees to leave.

The only tracker that looks to be an option is: 2 years 1.29% with a £999 fee.

I'm usually pretty savvy working out the numbers but I can't get my head around if 1.29% with £999 fee today is a better deal compared not changing anything and moving over to the standard variable rate of 4.74% over just the 6 months period. Any insight here?

Also, I'd appreciate a sanity check. Am I right in thinking this is annoying as it appears to be? I fully understand the fees with moving mortgages but at the same time I've never ended up doing it as routinely I've calculated it to be cheaper to stay with the same provider (i.e. avoiding or paying fees vs rates etc)
 
I think for the same of 6 months at a slightly higher monthly fee i'd just do that and then combine them for the reduced future hassle.

Might some other mortgage providers have issue if there is more than one mortgage against the property? Your current one clearly doesnt.


Option 2, not sure if this is an option but in August remortgage for £210,000. You have the equity to do so. Use the additional funds to pay off mortgage one. Just need to see if there are any early repayment fees on mortgage 1 or it may be best to stick the money in an account and pay off when it ends.
 
Having many parts on a mortgage isn't uncommon generally. If you get additional borrowings to pay for an extension, or if you're buying and selling before a fixed term is up, it will end up in two parts. You can't just tack on the additional borrowing to an existing mortgage deal as that rate many no longer be available. I don't think other providers would have an issue with a mortgage in multiple parts, but if I moved both at the same time it would become a single mortgage amount (from my understanding).

Yeah, the second option of remortgaging the total amount in August is probably the worst idea at the moment. I'd incur fees of around £3K just for the pleasure of ending Part1 early...
 
Ah ok, learn something new everyday!

In that case i think a tracker is probably the best option. Do that with both mortgages (ideally fee free i'd have said) and then if you decide to combine them/fix in the future you've got the option without penalties.
 
I think I've found a calculator that's giving me what I want to know...

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/mortgages/compare-mortgage-rates

Current mortgage debt: £140K (remember it's only one part that's changing)
Remaining mortgage term: 20 years
Mortgage type: repayment

Mortgage 1
Rate:
4.74%
Fees: 0

Mortgage 2
Rate:
1.29%
Fees: £999

Compare over: 1 year

Results
---------
Mortgage 1 (i.e. stick with current deal that goes up to 4.74% with no fee)

Mortgage cost over 1 year: £10,844

Mortgage 2 (i.e. change to 1.29% but pay £999 up front)
Mortgage cost over 1 year: £8,004

So technically I'd only stick with either deal for 6 months - so divide both by 2 and I think I come to the following conclusion.

If we stick with my current deal and don't change anything then our rates will be 4.74% then we'll be paying a total of £5,422 over 6 months.
If we move to the new deal
(1.29%) then we'll be paying £4,002 over 6 months but then I'd have to add on the £999 fee. So the total for this will be £5001.

£5,001 is less than £5,422 so I should CHANGE to the new deal to be better off.

Not only am I paying less money out of my pocket in the long run but I'm also paying off more money on my house (due to the lower rate).


Feel free to point out any mistakes, otherwise, I'm calling them tonight to make the change! :)
 
Ah ok, learn something new everyday!

In that case i think a tracker is probably the best option. Do that with both mortgages (ideally fee free i'd have said) and then if you decide to combine them/fix in the future you've got the option without penalties.

Unfortunately there are no fee free trackers available with my current lender - otherwise, I'd likely be all over it - if the numbers worked ;)
 
Can't you just let it rollover onto the variable rate after the fixed term finishes? That won't incur any fees, probably just some slightly higher payments until January when you can remortgage the lot together.
 
Can't you just let it rollover onto the variable rate after the fixed term finishes? That won't incur any fees, probably just some slightly higher payments until January when you can remortgage the lot together.

So that's what I've worked out above.

Staying with my current mortgage deal and letting it roll over onto the variable rate after the fixed term wouldn't just be "slightly" higher payments. I've calculated it to be about £420 MORE over that 6 months as well as working out to be paying off less capital on the loan.

Unless you've noticed a problem with my maths, switching (even with paying £999 up front) will save me £420 across 6 months compared to staying.
 
Are there definitely no early-repayment charges on the 1.29% mortgage? It seems strange

It's a tracker rather than fixed fee so generally not i dont think.

Exactly that. No fee for leaving early, but it's a tracker so could technically go through the roof if the Bank of England base rate changed - but sticking with current one would also result in the same, as it's a tracker but at 4.74%
 
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