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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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TNA said:
But freesync is free, you are not buying into anything when you get one. It is there if you happen to have an AMD card, if not then you don't get that feature.

I have a Freesync monitor, I have no problems buying an Nvidia card if AMD fail to deliver with Vega. I do not feel locked in. But had I paid the huge premium with G-Sync, I would maybe feel locked it.
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I don't understand why people think otherwise,
I have a Freesync monitor and I'm temporarily using a 1060 with no problems to report, I've read complaints about G-sync monitors not being so forgiving though, More importantly as you said there's no significant premium for a Freesync monitor where as the G-sync equivalent is often anywhere from 1 to 2 hundred more. So anyone buying a monitor today that isn't buying a G-sync model should be buying an adaptive sync one as it will hold a much better resale value in years to come and with adaptive sync it will offer Freesync to AMD GPU's & APU's, Intel's on-board graphics can also take advantage of it.
 
TNA said:
But freesync is free, you are not buying into anything when you get one. It is there if you happen to have an AMD card, if not then you don't get that feature.

I have a Freesync monitor, I have no problems buying an Nvidia card if AMD fail to deliver with Vega. I do not feel locked in. But had I paid the huge premium with G-Sync, I would maybe feel locked it. Not that that is a bad thing these days with the lack of competition from AMD to be honest.
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Freesync is not really free it is just cheaper than G-Sync.

For someone like me who does not use either of the systems above, I would still have to pay the extra for the circuitry built into the monitor if I decided to get a Freesync or G-Sync monitor.

The only plus point for me is the Freesync version would be the cheaper of the two.
 
Gaming side of this card is simply not properly working and that is my final conclusion. 1 more month and we will see true performance ...
 
Kaapstad said:
Freesync is not really free it is just cheaper than G-Sync.

For someone like me who does not use either of the systems above, I would still have to pay the extra for the circuitry built into the monitor if I decided to get a Freesync or G-Sync monitor.

The only plus point for me is the Freesync version would be the cheaper of the two.
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But the freesync (basically adaptive sync) requires no extra circuitry built in. It's the specification of display port and soon to be built in as standard to HDMI 2.1. There shouldn't be a cost increase to the monitor price as its a standard feature of the connectors specification
 
Kaapstad said:
Freesync is not really free it is just cheaper than G-Sync.

For someone like me who does not use either of the systems above, I would still have to pay the extra for the circuitry built into the monitor if I decided to get a Freesync or G-Sync monitor.

The only plus point for me is the Freesync version would be the cheaper of the two.
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Not entirely correct - some of the cheapest monitors with displayport happen to have FreeSync too,and some of the cheapest 120HZ/144HZ monitors happen to have FreeSync too.

For example my mate was doing a build on a budget and he only had around £125ish for a new monitor(was a chap who only had a laptop before),and the monitor he got had displayport and FreeSync and it is considered not too bad a budget gaming monitor according to reviews,even if you didn't look at FreeSync. Another mate who was on a Nvidia card bought the same monitor since it was not too bad for gaming even,if he couldn't use FreeSync.

FreeSync is just an AMD software interface for a VESA standard which is being incorporated into newer scalers by scaler manufacturers.

AMD did not invent it.

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I think it cost him £110 and has a 35HZ~75HZ range which is still better than the locked 60HZ you get with most of the cheapo monitors.
 
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More frontier edition game tests with Overclocks; and Pro vs Gaming mode. Pro mode is giving better performance overall compared to gaming at stock.

 
Kaapstad said:
Freesync is not really free it is just cheaper than G-Sync.

For someone like me who does not use either of the systems above, I would still have to pay the extra for the circuitry built into the monitor if I decided to get a Freesync or G-Sync monitor.

The only plus point for me is the Freesync version would be the cheaper of the two.
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Not sure about that. LG for example do some really cheap decent Freesync monitors. Even if it is not free, it ain't far off it when you consider G-Sync being £200+ more. If you looked at that from a percentage point of view the difference would be huge.

I am like you though, had G-Sync, had Freesync and happy to go back to no sync.
 
ljt said:
But the freesync (basically adaptive sync) requires no extra circuitry built in. It's the specification of display port and soon to be built in as standard to HDMI 2.1. There shouldn't be a cost increase to the monitor price as its a standard feature of the connectors specification
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The free in freesync doesn't refer to money but licensing.

The monitor has to support the appropriate vscaler and have appropriate firmware.

The actual physical cost of a decent freesync and gysnc screen are going to be very similar. The gsync screen might be 20-30 more at most with license and module. The difference in retail pricing is almost entirely down to market conditions. People will pay more for a gsync monitor and so that is what companies charge.


Adaptive sync is only optional, not required, so monitors can be made cheap not supporting freesync.
 
D.P. said:
The free in freesync doesn't refer to money but licensing.

The monitor has to support the appropriate vscaler and have appropriate firmware.

The actual physical cost of a decent freesync and gysnc screen are going to be very similar. The gsync screen might be 20-30 more at most with license and module. The difference in retail pricing is almost entirely down to market conditions. People will pay more for a gsync monitor and so that is what companies charge.


Adaptive sync is only optional, not required, so monitors can be made cheap not supporting freesync.
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The actual cost of them manufacturing it is pretty much irrelevant. What it costs us paying customers is what matters.
 
Kaapstad said:
Freesync is not really free it is just cheaper than G-Sync.

For someone like me who does not use either of the systems above, I would still have to pay the extra for the circuitry built into the monitor if I decided to get a Freesync or G-Sync monitor.

The only plus point for me is the Freesync version would be the cheaper of the two.
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But you are talking about substantially different amounts of money, Freesync add's something like one tenth of what G-sync add's.

That said we was speculating about whether Freesync 2 was going to have a bigger premium on this forum a little while ago.
It may do but to me that say's all the more reason to but an LFC supporting Freesync monitor now.


Here's an example of the premium difference

£230
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/aoc-...descreen-led-monitor-black-red-mo-030-ao.html
£399
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/aoc-...idescreen-led-monitor-gunmetal-mo-022-ao.html


Or at the other end of the spectrum

£720
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...n-superwide-curved-led-monitor-mo-092-ac.html
£999
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...e-zeroframe-curved-led-monitor-mo-091-ac.html
 
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Erik13 said:
Amd should have never included that gaming mode before Rx Vega launch. They actually managed to damage themself by this dumb move
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AMD should never have released the FE edition without at the very least some controlled publicity of the gaming card - if they couldn't foresee the problems here they have no business being in the desktop GPU business - then again doesn't really surprise me as the Fury line up was a very poor execution of a product launch - they really need to hire someone with strategic vision.
 
Kaapstad said:
Freesync is not really free it is just cheaper than G-Sync.

For someone like me who does not use either of the systems above, I would still have to pay the extra for the circuitry built into the monitor if I decided to get a Freesync or G-Sync monitor.

The only plus point for me is the Freesync version would be the cheaper of the two.
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Cheaper? thats an understatement :D

Two identical screens, one FreeSync (£230) the other G-Sync (£400) the G-Sync one is 73% more expensive, in this case £170.

AOC G2460PF 24" 1920x1080 TN FREESYNC 144Hz 1ms

AOC G2460PG 24" 1920x1080 TN G-Sync 144Hz 1ms

Entry into FreeSync is as little as £100
Entry into G-Sync is £380
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
More frontier edition game tests with Overclocks; and Pro vs Gaming mode. Pro mode is giving better performance overall compared to gaming at stock.

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By the looks of it, when talking about the memory speed problem GN ran into, it could be that you have to reset the VRAM speed when changing the core speed, this guy probably didn't run into the problem because he overclocked the VRAM anyways, so probably a wattdude bug.
 
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