6K on a new car any idea's

[TW]Fox said:
People on this forum don't understand that people who say 'nippy' don't really mean 'hot hatchback' and people who do mean hot hatchback don't use words like nippy.
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this is true, there's a difference between fast and nippy, i'd say nippy was something small and practical that you can quickly hop in and go, manoeuvre and park easily (due to being small), and not massively slow.

for example an m6 is a fast car, but by the time you clamber in, manoeuvre it around, etc etc for your average real world journey it's not going to be quicker than say a polo.
 
adolf hamster said:
on the real world road driving, assuming you're adhering to speed limits, dealing with traffic and having to park in your average supermarket car park. i'm not saying it's not empirically faster, especially on a track, just that the smaller car will be easier to deal with in those scenarios.
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I agree with this. It doesn't matter how fast an m6 is, you're only going to be doing a normal speed around town unless you're a nutcase which means little cars are quicker because they do all the manoeuvres faster. The fact they can hop over speed bumps with no problems helps over lowered performance cars too.
 
Ixon said:
I currently have a Peugeot 207 2008 plate that seen better days on the bodywork, currently have 6K and whatever trade i get on the 207 to spend on a new car.

I want something quite nippy & not to big as it got to fit onto a fairly small drive.
pretty cheap to insure & reliable.

Any idea's on what to get?
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Honda Civic 2012 facelift 1.8 petrol > 6k but depends what trade you can get.
 
adolf hamster said:
on the real world road driving, assuming you're adhering to speed limits, dealing with traffic and having to park in your average supermarket car park. i'm not saying it's not empirically faster, especially on a track, just that the smaller car will be easier to deal with in those scenarios.
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Speed limits are adhered to in the real world?

I think you are fantastically over estimating how long it takes to start, maneuver and park an M6. Zero extra time to unlock, start, drive off and stop. For parking and maneuvering, an M6 is RWD and as such has a great turning angle compared to a typical front-wheel-drive hatchback thanks to not having drive gear in the way. If there is any parking time disadvantage, the acceleration benefit will easily outstrip it.

mccarf said:
I agree with this. It doesn't matter how fast an m6 is, you're only going to be doing a normal speed around town unless you're a nutcase which means little cars are quicker because they do all the manoeuvres faster. The fact they can hop over speed bumps with no problems helps over lowered performance cars too.
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I think anyone who has owned an M6 is going to laugh at the idea that a Polo is quicker in any situation other than going through a width restriction.
 
PMKeates said:
Speed limits are adhered to in the real world?
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in traffic they are ;)

and you're ignoring the point of the example, when driving on the road they'll be the same speed (lets face it both the polo and the m6 are capable of the speeds most normal people speed at, unless we're assuming the m6 driver is going to be driving like he's on the track which lets face it is a stupid case), especially when stuck in traffic.

when it comes to parking it may well take more time depending on how tight the space is, we're talking real world parking bays and parallel parking (including searching for a space large enough to fit in), and then ofc there's the issue of trying to squeeze out past those massive doors if you're in any way close to the car next to you.

now you might argue that in a supermarket you could park where there are no cars next to you, but this will in most cases be a space significantly further away from the entrance thus negating any time advantage gained.

the point is the difference between nippy and fast, yes the m6 is a fast car compared to a polo nobody can deny that (except housey) but it's not nippy. if you really don't like the example including an m6 then replace it with (insert generic italian supercar) and the point should become clear.
 
You could get a Mark 5 Fiesta ST for that quite easily? 150HP so certainly faster than what you have. Could also likely get one with the added Mountune kit for, I think, 165HP?
 
I live in London and am always driving around and parking in the M5 and it really isn't quite the ordeal you suggest. It's really rare that there's a gap big enough for a smaller car but not the M5 - it's only 2.5 feet longer that a Polo so that should be no surprise. An M5/M6 is a fairly regular chassis with a lairy engine and drivetrain, and as such doesn't require treatment much different to a Polo. It's not like it's a pre-war antique that you need to crank by hand, carefully corner, drive defensively as it's priceless, maneuver at a snail's pace etc...

I'm also not trying to argue an M6 is 'nippy', but the idea that "for your average real world journey it's not going to be quicker" than a Polo is delusional
 
PMKeates said:
I think anyone who has owned an M6 is going to laugh at the idea that a Polo is quicker in any situation other than going through a width restriction.
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What's all that power doing when there's a bunch of cars in front of you and you're traveling over speed bumps and other real world obstacles? I'm fully aware that the m6 would destroy a polo on any country road or motorway but it's not going to be as quick in town.

I've delivered for a few years now. During that time I've had a Octavia vrs, a civic and a micra. The micra is much quicker because it handles town situations better than the other cars even though it has much less power and cornering speed than both. All cars have compromises and the m6 is no exception. I'm not saying you can't ever use one in a busy town but it will be slower.
 
PMKeates said:
I live in London and am always driving around and parking in the M5 and it really isn't quite the ordeal you suggest. It's really rare that there's a gap big enough for a smaller car but not the M5 - it's only 2.5 feet longer that a Polo so that should be no surprise. An M5/M6 is a fairly regular chassis with a lairy engine and drivetrain, and as such doesn't require treatment much different to a Polo. It's not like it's a pre-war antique that you need to crank by hand, carefully corner, drive defensively as it's priceless, maneuver at a snail's pace etc...
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i'm not saying it's some kind of unliveable scenario, after all if it were who'd want to own one? just that by comparison there are things which a smaller car will be better at. it's like saying the m6 is more comfortable, doesn't mean a 6hr drive in a polo is going to leave you with a hernia
 
mccarf said:
What's all that power doing when there's a bunch of cars in front of you and you're traveling over speed bumps and other real world obstacles? I'm fully aware that the m6 would destroy a polo on any country road or motorway but it's not going to be as quick in town.

I've delivered for a few years now. During that time I've had a Octavia vrs, a civic and a micra. The micra is much quicker because it handles town situations better than the other cars even though it has much less power and cornering speed than both. All cars have compromises and the m6 is no exception. I'm not saying you can't ever use one in a busy town but it will be slower.
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If it's total bumper-to-bumper traffic I'll concede the M6 will only be equally 'as quick' as the Polo or Micra. In any event where some space opens up (which it does, even in Zone 1) the opportunity at a roundabout, traffic light, multi-lane merge etc. will see the M6 gain car lengths. I think you massively underestimate the usability of 500+ HP. You can use every single filter lane with confidence and that will eventually lead to you leapfrogging a big chunk of traffic. We don't have to go as extreme as an M6 to argue this, even something fairly regular like a 530d will give you a big advantage.
 
For a super car to be quicker than a shopper hatch it would have to be able to utilise all that power and around town there simply isn't the opportunity to relalise that power. Traffic lights, speed bumps, safety zones, cameras, other traffic and let's face it it doesn't matter how fast your car is there will always be a Ford Fiesta in front of you slowing things down!!

To further reinforce the above when did you ever see a super car owner doing Mach 5 on the way to drop off the kids or collect the milk?

Despite owning a car with more horsepower than most I can't shake a determined transit van owner if I play by the rules (speed limits).
 
Brazo said:
Despite owning a car with more horsepower than most I can't shake a determined transit van owner if I play by the rules (speed limits).
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I'd never entertain a transit van, most of them have no regard for their own lives.
 
Something small and VAG with a tsi engine should fit the bill (so the likes of a Polo, Fabia or Ibiza) it all depends on what you consider small and nippy though. People are suggesting Civic's which would be better but they are medium sized hatch's
 
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