Happy Pride Weekend!

Tefal said:
Can we all agree no one cares what asim says?

Before the trolling comences
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It's not me saying those things. They are quotations in quotation marks. Those stats are published in the Guardian.

Anyway you obviously care about something the guardian has published and you are clearly trying to blame it on me.

It's not my fault only 1 in 100 people are gay or bi. Nor is it my fault that kids of newer generations are becoming more homosexualised (the causes of which are debatable).

With all these gay pride things going on I just wanted to get the basic stats with regards to homosexuality and these are the two very basic facts I found out with 5 minutes of googling.

Am I not allowed to acknowledge statistics? OK.
 
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asim18 said:
I'm pretty surprised to have just found out that in 2013, the prevalence of homosexuality could have been as low as only 1%. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/oct/03/gay-britain-what-do-statistics-say

"For every 100 people in Britain, just 1 will identify themselves as gay or lesbian according to the latest government statistics."

It cant be that low can it? I was under the impression that it was something far far far more common.

I mean the fact that many TV shows are now mandated to include equal amount of homosexual activity, and in some cases excessive homosexuality, seems rather extreme just to please such a tiny audience.


And another surprising thing is there is as a rather substantial jump in the prevalence of homosexuality amongst the younger generations, more than double! Does this suggest that homosexualism (and heterosexualism for that matter) is somehow connected with actual developmental stages? And that it is possible to become a homosexual (and heterosexual) as opposed to being born a homosexual, as is always believed.

"Those aged between 16 and 24 were by far the most likely to say they were gay, lesbian or bisexual - 2.7% of them did - a proportion that steadily declines as you inch up the age scale."

It seems rather surprising. Is it wrong to assume that the trend will continue and in 10 more years that could easily be 5% of that generation's 16-24 year olds. And in 10 more years it will be 10% of that generation's 16-24 year olds. How many years before everyone is a homosexual and humanity becomes extinct and we start a new branch in the tree of life as a complete 100% test tube species who has to sustain itself using artificial means.
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Why do you think it would be higher? Do you have any evidence that many tv shows are mandated to have equal/more homosexual activity? You hardly see it at all on the tv shows I watch..

I think the latter part of your post lacks logic. It's likely the reason younger people are more likely to state they are gay is because it's more socially acceptable to do so than with older generations. You're also at the "experimental" stage in life, so you may have an uptick in people experimenting, especially with bisexuality before settling with heterosexuality.
 
Amp34 said:
I think the latter part of your post lacks logic. It's likely the reason younger people are more likely to state they are gay is because it's more socially acceptable to do so than with older generations.
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They aren't coming out of any closets lol. I doubt their poll choice was plastered across social media or anything, so why would social acceptance play any part in a homosexual being a homosexual, and being honest in a random poll?

Surely the older generations would be MORE inclined to vote yes in a gay poll after all these years having to put up with being unaccepted. No?

Why do you think it would be higher? Do you have any evidence that many tv shows are mandated to have equal/more homosexual activity? You hardly see it at all on the tv shows I watch..
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For evidence, You just need to watch TV and keep a tally of homosexual activity. Back in 1995 the tally was simply tiny if not non-existant and you would have been exposed to far less homosexuality through popular media than now in 2017.
 
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asim18 said:
They aren't coming out of any closets lol. I doubt their poll choice was plastered across social media or anything, so why would social acceptance play any part in a homosexual being a homosexual, and being honest in a random poll?

Surely the older generations would be MORE inclined to vote yes in a gay poll after all these years having to put up with being unaccepted. No?
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Because many of the older generations still have a view that homosexuality is dirty and bad. There will be a level of suppression far higher in older generations that younger generations. Younger people are just more comfortable associating themselves with being gay/bi, it doesn't matter if the survey is public or not.

It also appears that most of the increase is taken up by an increase in bisexuality rather than homosexuality. Again an indication that younger people are just more relaxed about their sexuality.

It's not like sexuality is bimodal - you're either straight or gay - it's a fluid range with many people sat in the middle, and is likely to vary with age as well.

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.indep...-office-national-statistics-a7347701.html?amp

So as much as the number identifying with homo/bisexuality is probably going to increase as not being fully heterosexual becomes more socially acceptable I don't see humankind struggling because of it any time soon...

As an example take a look back to Ancient Rome and Greece where people weren't defined by their sexuality at all. Whether you were dominant or passive was the defining factor, didn't matter whether it was male or female.
For evidence, You just need to watch TV and keep a tally of homosexual activity. Back in 1995 the tally was simply tiny if not non-existant and you would have been exposed to far less homosexuality through popular media than now in 2017.
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No, you made the claim, you should be able to provide the evidence. You claim they are mandated to do it should be fairly simple. The reason there has been a rise in homosexual "activity" on TV is likely to be because it's become socially acceptable.

To put your 1995 date into context that's just 6 years after the first onscreen gay kiss on UK TV.

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.radiotimes.com/amp/news/2016-08-25/eastenders-who-is-colin-russell
 
Angilion said:
As I said, I don't give a rat's arse how fashionable any particular variation of the ideology of biological group pride is. Nor do I care what excuses are used to pretend biological group pride isn't the same as biological group pride, which is a result of that fashion.
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Stonewalling (pun) on understanding the reason behind a celebration doesn't make you right or virtuous. It makes you ignorant and arrogant.
 
Amp34 said:
Why do you think it would be higher?
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Because we were repeatedly told while i was growing up in the 80's and 90's that it was more like 10%, while i was in sex-ed in school they repeated this fact time and again.

Do you have any evidence that many tv shows are mandated to have equal/more homosexual activity? You hardly see it at all on the tv shows I watch..
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But you have to admit if it's truly 1% then homosexuals are grossly over-represented on film and TV
 
asim18 said:
It's not me saying those things. They are quotations in quotation marks. Those stats are published in the Guardian.

Anyway you obviously care about something the guardian has published and you are clearly trying to blame it on me.

It's not my fault only 1 in 100 people are gay or bi. Nor is it my fault that kids of newer generations are becoming more homosexualised (the causes of which are debatable).

With all these gay pride things going on I just wanted to get the basic stats with regards to homosexuality and these are the two very basic facts I found out with 5 minutes of googling.

Am I not allowed to acknowledge statistics? OK.
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Mate I'm not even talking about what you posted (I honestly didn't read it).

It's just you tend to choose rather ham fisted analogies/examples when posting and people latch on to them rather than what you actually mean.


I'm not saying you troll but it always ends up that way as people troll you.

And the threads inevitably get locked
 
Btw % wise I always thought I was around 3% No idea where people are getring 10% from.


Gay people are over represented in the media in the same way women are over represented in care work and men in stem feilds.

It's not down to policy its just what large numbers of thst group tend to gravitate towards work wise
 
Tefal said:
Btw % wise I always thought I was around 3% No idea where people are getring 10% from.


Gay people are over represented in the media in the same way women are over represented in care work and men in stem feilds.

It's not down to policy its just what large numbers of thst group tend to gravitate towards work wise
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Around 2.0% of males identified themselves as lesbian, gay or bisexual (LGB) in 2015; this compared with 1.5% of females identifying as LGB according to research by ONS.
 
robgmun said:
Because we were repeatedly told while i was growing up in the 80's and 90's that it was more like 10%, while i was in sex-ed in school they repeated this fact time and again.



But you have to admit if it's truly 1% then homosexuals are grossly over-represented on film and TV
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I didn't remember being taught that in the 00s.

I also don't keep track of the number of homosexuals on film and TV. I honestly can't think of a character outside of "the only gay in the village" that is openly gay, and those two guys in Game of Thrones a few seasons ago, although I admit lesbianism is more prevalent - probably because of the fact it draws more men into watching stuff.

Again, to actually discuss this properly we will need more real data as humans are awful at estimating percentages.
 
Just arrived home from my pride weekend trip. Was great! Watched the parade. Makes me happy to think how far we have come, but still have far to go.
 
ljop said:
Around 2.0% of males identified themselves as lesbian, gay or bisexual (LGB) in 2015; this compared with 1.5% of females identifying as LGB according to research by ONS.
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Worth reading the first half of this article (actually, it's all good stuff, but only the first half deals with homosexuality):

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...eals-darkest-secrets-seth-stephens-davidowitz

Apparently, around 5% of porn searches by men are for gay porn. So perhaps that's probably a good benchmark for the 'true' homosexuality figure.
 
Sex is a personal choice and nobody else's business. Men love women, men love men, women love women, who cares aside from religious fundamentalists? Live and let live is what I say. It's shocking to think that prior to 1967, it was illegal for a man to have sex with another man. Remember Alan Turing? One of the greatest minds this country has ever produced. Driven to suicide just for loving other men. Absolute disgrace. :(
 
cheesyboy said:
Worth reading the first half of this article (actually, it's all good stuff, but only the first half deals with homosexuality):

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...eals-darkest-secrets-seth-stephens-davidowitz

Apparently, around 5% of porn searches by men are for gay porn. So perhaps that's probably a good benchmark for the 'true' homosexuality figure.
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I'm not sure why that would be a good benchmark? You might well find that they are more likely to search for porn in the first place - especially if they come from communities or countries where being openly gay isn't tolerated. Thus you get Pakistan topping the list for porn searches, not necessarily because they have more gays but because the gays they do have are disproportionately more likely to not be able to engage in the activities they'd want to engage in and therefore consume lots of internet porn. If someone were to try and make an inference on the % of the gay population of Pakistan based on porn consumption data they'd perhaps get some rather inflated results.
 
dowie said:
I'm not sure why that would be a good benchmark? You might well find that they are more likely to search for porn in the first place - especially if they come from communities or countries where being openly gay isn't tolerated. Thus you get Pakistan topping the list for porn searches, not necessarily because they have more gays but because the gays they do have are disproportionately more likely to not be able to engage in the activities they'd want to engage in and therefore consume lots of internet porn. If someone were to try and make an inference on the % of the gay population of Pakistan based on porn consumption data they'd perhaps get some rather inflated results.
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Read the article then: it's quite interesting, and isn't actually 'about' homosexuality - that's just an example of the data interpretation.

After reading, you would see that it was actually dealing with USA only. States less tolerant to homosexuality had gay searches at 4.8%, more tolerant at 5.2%. Suspicion was that the discrepancy was covered by geographic pull towards tolerant states (gay people move to these areas, you see), but blows your 'especially if they come from communities or countries where being openly gay isn't tolerated' out of the water

I'd be interested to see Pakistan's gay search stats.
 
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