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What does the value of the car vs the value of the policy have to do with it?

What an odd thing to say.... It puts the quote into perspective, as Adolf hamster kindly pointed out.

Considering I've never paid more than a grand ever, had several years now claims at the time, I was just highlighting how bad some insurance companies are and take the ****!
 
There's always a common feature with these threads and that's people who don't understand how insurance works.

you pay them a lot of money, for protection 99% of people never use.

unless there's some part of this i'm missing it sounds like a pretty nice business, people being forced to buy your product which for most amounts to sweet fa
 
What an odd thing to say.... It puts the quote into perspective, as Adolf hamster kindly pointed out.

Considering I've never paid more than a grand ever, had several years now claims at the time, I was just highlighting how bad some insurance companies are and take the ****!

I think many people seem to be under the impression that car insurance is to cover their own vehicle only. The value of your A4 is tending towards irrelevance - the cost of a claim to your vehicle pales into insignificance when compared with liability costs if you hit someone else, particularly if it's a serious accident.

These threads are always the same and adolf hamster in particular comes out with exactly the same misguided misinformation every time. The entire point of insurance is to cover unforseen and irregular financial loss. If everyone 'used their insurance' we wouldn't have insurance - everyone would have to pay their own costs, and tough luck if it's to settle a multi-million pound injury claim.

Ultimately, that's the main point of what you're getting, as defined by the Road Traffic Act - unlimited liability for injury and £1m (though usually higher is offered) for property damage.
 
I fully understand what insurance is for, but insurers do use it to as a starting point on what they should charge you. I only added that it gave perspective, if I was driving a Bugatti, then my insurance would be higher than if I was driving a fiesta.
 
I fully understand what insurance is for, but insurers do use it to as a starting point on what they should charge you. I only added that it gave perspective, if I was driving a Bugatti, then my insurance would be higher than if I was driving a fiesta.

Although a person that drives a Bugatti is likely a lot less likely to actually have an accident in the first place. Might not even be driven around much.

In this case the value of the Bugatti probably trumps that, but you can see how it isn't as clear cut.

Also not all insurance companies (if any) have hundreds of drivers with a Bugatti to draw experience from. So they might just not quote, charge loads or make an educated guess.
 
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I think many people seem to be under the impression that car insurance is to cover their own vehicle only. The value of your A4 is tending towards irrelevance - the cost of a claim to your vehicle pales into insignificance when compared with liability costs if you hit someone else, particularly if it's a serious accident.

These threads are always the same and adolf hamster in particular comes out with exactly the same misguided misinformation every time. The entire point of insurance is to cover unforseen and irregular financial loss. If everyone 'used their insurance' we wouldn't have insurance - everyone would have to pay their own costs, and tough luck if it's to settle a multi-million pound injury claim.

Ultimately, that's the main point of what you're getting, as defined by the Road Traffic Act - unlimited liability for injury and £1m (though usually higher is offered) for property damage.


ok, so given you seem to be quite the expert on this subject, why not give us some hard facts about the costs insurance companies have to face, and the precise methods they use to work out situations like for example scania mentioned:

I live in a fairly crap postcode area, which is fair enough, why then is my 1999 Volvo V70 diesel estate snot box that's worth sod all more expensive to insure than my Current e38 735i V8, an e39 M5, an e46 M3 or a Honda S2000?

value aside, pretty sure the fast rwd saloons/sports car are going to be slightly more likely to cause an accident than a pedestrian estate known for being safe?

or for example the reason for the shady business practices they employ, like for example always sending through an inflated renewal rather than offering a competitive price to begin with.

or how declaring a minor bump (for example a car park dent, paid for under excess) causes raised premiums?

or raised premiums after non-fault accidents?

cmon, if i'm so "misguided" here's your chance to justify these practices and change my mind
 
If you don't increase the price for those that have had accidents (non-fault or minor bumps) as you put it, at the end of the day all costs needs to be covered and some profit needs to be made. If those people aren't charged higher premiums then everyone has to be charged a bit more.

The company that is smart which doesn't simply charge everyone a bit more, will end up with the safer customers by undercutting the market.
 
If you don't increase the price for those that have had accidents (non-fault or minor bumps) as you put it, at the end of the day all costs needs to be covered and some profit needs to be made. If those people aren't charged higher premiums then everyone has to be charged a bit more.

The company that is smart which doesn't simply charge everyone a bit more, will end up with the safer customers by undercutting the market.

minor bumps which i specified were repaired by the person, didn't cost the insurance a penny, so they don't need raised premiums

non-fault accidents the point is the person whos at fault gets the raised premiums, not the poor sod who got run into
 
minor bumps which i specified were repaired by the person, didn't cost the insurance a penny, so they don't need raised premiums

non-fault accidents the point is the person whos at fault gets the raised premiums, not the poor sod who got run into

It's not about what things cost in the past. It is about what the risk is in the future based on a history and up to date details.

Just because the person repaired it doesn't mean their chance of writing off their car isn't now higher. The difference between a minor bump and something that could have been a major bump isn't that different.
 
value aside, pretty sure the fast rwd saloons/sports car are going to be slightly more likely to cause an accident than a pedestrian estate known for being safe?

or for example the reason for the shady business practices they employ, like for example always sending through an inflated renewal rather than offering a competitive price to begin with.

or how declaring a minor bump (for example a car park dent, paid for under excess) causes raised premiums?

or raised premiums after non-fault accidents?

cmon, if i'm so "misguided" here's your chance to justify these practices and change my mind

How exactly do you think I'm going to be able to express exactly what causes a '99 V70 to cost more to insure than an E38 or M5 - it will depend upon so many factors interpreted differently by every insurer with different models all trying to achieve a competitive advantage. I can try to guess, that as a '99 V70 is worth almost nothing its owner is less likely to care about it/spend money on maintenance etc, but it's purely a guess - I don't have every UK insurers' models in front of me.

I also have not claimed that insurers are whiter than white, but I believe the practice of increased renewal pricing is pretty common across many annual-contract service industries? Insurers must now declare last year's premium on renewal invites, so you can at least see what the differences are (some players had introduced this before it was introduced as legislation).

I don't think it takes much to extrapolate that those who have car park dents or bumps as you put it can be argued to be no greater risk than someone who doesn't - they clearly have less control over their vehicle which seems like a fairly good indicator of risk to me.

Whilst not every non-fault accident is going to be avoidable, I'd wager a good number of 'innocent' parties in non-fault accidents could have avoided the accident altogether by driving differently e.g. more defensively, anticipating risk.

Ultimately insurers must prove to the regulator that their pricing decisions are based on prudent analysis of the rating factors (including historical loss experience) they have at their disposal. It's not some conspiracy.

I've posted this before, but it gives a good indication of where your premium goes, at a major multi-national insurer (slightly out of date now as IPT has gone up to 12% now):
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How exactly do you think I'm going to be able to express exactly what causes a '99 V70 to cost more to insure than an E38 or M5 - it will depend upon so many factors interpreted differently by every insurer with different models all trying to achieve a competitive advantage. I can try to guess, that as a '99 V70 is worth almost nothing its owner is less likely to care about it/spend money on maintenance etc, but it's purely a guess - I don't have every UK insurers' models in front of me.

so basically it's random on the discretion of the company, gotcha

I also have not claimed that insurers are whiter than white, but I believe the practice of increased renewal pricing is pretty common across many annual-contract service industries? Insurers must now declare last year's premium on renewal invites, so you can at least see what the differences are (some players had introduced this before it was introduced as legislation).

it's not just increased renewal, it's always the same story, high renewal, ring them up "oh because uninsured drivers", go to comparison sites, ring them up again "sorry sir let me discount x, give you free y, and 50% less on z" and suddenly it's competitive.

pretty dishonest, and doesn't exactly fill you with confidence to beleive anything they say.

I don't think it takes much to extrapolate that those who have car park dents or bumps as you put it can be argued to be no greater risk than someone who doesn't - they clearly have less control over their vehicle which seems like a fairly good indicator of risk to me.

if you're going to tell me you've never had a minor scrape, much less had a minor scrape which you sorted yourself without getting the insurance involved then i'm calling bovine leavings, these things happen, yes granted if it's a regular occurrence then it's a valid point.

Whilst not every non-fault accident is going to be avoidable, I'd wager a good number of 'innocent' parties in non-fault accidents could have avoided the accident altogether by driving differently e.g. more defensively, anticipating risk.

mate of mine got hit in stationary traffic, motor 2 cars back from him shunted the car behind into him, kindly explain to me how defensive driving would have helped him in that scenario? because the poor lad lost his car, and now can't get any insurance he can afford, it's not as if they've made any effort to understand the circumstances and apply fair reasoning.

Ultimately insurers must prove to the regulator that their pricing decisions are based on prudent analysis of the rating factors (including historical loss experience) they have at their disposal. It's not some conspiracy.

a regulator that allows much of these things to occurr isn't being serious enough, which is kind of my point in the first place.
 
value aside, pretty sure the fast rwd saloons/sports car are going to be slightly more likely to cause an accident than a pedestrian estate known for being safe?

It's not as simple as more power = more crashes. There are likely less M5's or M3's insured by a particular underwriter than there are bog standard Volvo V70s for example - less cars = less miles driven = less risk of incident = lower risk to insurer. A V70 (or any other "family" car) is likely to be used in more "high risk" situations like school runs, city centre commutes etc, where there is more chance of an incident occurring, and therefore chance of a claim.

Cheap, old cars are likely to be more of a risk to an insurer, as whilst the value of the car is low, there is more risk that it will be written off (e.g. for something relatively minor e.g. due to labour costs), resulting in a full payout + any additional costs they may incur e.g. hire cars etc.


All of the above is part of the risk profile, so the above covers the vehicle, location is another (due to crime rate in that area, financial background of the area e.g. relatively "poor" areas may default on payments or have a high uninsured driver rate, type of area e.g. city driving likely has more bumps in traffic for example), and driver is the other factor e.g. Age, Number of years driving license held, number of years without claim etc.


Whether some of the factors in the risk profile actually make logical sense or not (e.g. most people think car being kept in a Garage overnight should be cheaper - but it isn't necessarily due to incidents maneuvering into the garage, and the risk of thieves being able to work undisturbed) doesn't really come into it - only how often the underwriter has to pay out based on the factors mentioned above.
 
So car insurance groups are meaningless then and that an M5 is actually going to cost less than a yeti?

Good to know, if I decide to get one and I get a high quote, I'll point them to this thread.
 
So car insurance groups are meaningless then and that an M5 is actually going to cost less than a yeti?

Clearly not - and yes I didn't mention them in my post.

As for what purpose they serve - the below link offers a decent enough explanation, but again it forms part of the risk profile
http://www.tescobank.com/car-insurance/guides/groups-explained/


Good to know, if I decide to get one and I get a high quote, I'll point them to this thread.

I'm sure they'll have quite the chuckle at some of the comments in here. Fact is that no-one here knows exactly how insurance premiums are calculated - and even the insurance sales people don't know the exact algorithm used to calculate a premium based on the risk profile.
 
Each insurer has their own risk database which is why you often see different prices.. all the calculations are done on the info you provide and each plays a different role to the final value. I thought that was fairly obvious?
 
Some of the quotes do seem a bit random. When you do a comparison how can one company be offering £1000s and the other £300. I think some of them are using fudged formulas to calculate risk tbh.

What does need changing and cracking down on is injury claims. Theres so much fraud going on with those.
 
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