Gender stereotypes to be banned in British adverts

Caracus2k said:
Because its central premise is to accept a lie that striving for equality of outcome is 'fair' ......its not it corrosive and it weakens society at a time when we face challenges from different ideologies that are not self doubting and will not hesitate to assert themselves over the mess of our society that will be left if the SJW's get their way. Somewhat ironically the SJW's will be some of the first to face the hard consequences of new society that will inevitably follow them
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Lol that you actually think cultural marxism is a thing. It's just a bogey man that social conservatives have invented to give them something to rail against.
 
Diddums said:
That'd be great, thanks.
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Because we would not want to actually discuss the matters relating to the thread or at least matters at least tangentially linked to it now would we? Far better it turns into the Internet forum equivalent of the 'your mum' sketch of the fast show if your old enough to remember that...
 
Caracus2k said:
Because we would not want to actually discuss the matters relating to the thread or at least matters at least tangentially linked to it now would we? Far better it turns into the Internet forum equivalent of the 'your mum' sketch of the fast show if your old enough to remember that...(
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Would the matter be that inequality is fairer than equality?

My personal reaction was pretty similar to this.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ut-hardly-worst-one-david-mitchell-asa-gender
 
Caracus2k said:
Because we would not want to actually discuss the matters relating to the thread or at least matters at least tangentially linked to it now would we? Far better it turns into the Internet forum equivalent of the 'your mum' sketch of the fast show if your old enough to remember that...(
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If you're going to go that low, I suggest you brush up on your writing skills first.


Also, I was enjoying reading this thread until you came along and spouted arguably the biggest load of toss I've seen on here all week. As someone who doesn't frequent GD all that often you may not be aware of how absolute this statement is but make no mistake: you really did fall flat on this one.

To then play the poor little victim card and cry abuse every time someone calls you out just cements your image of being a spineless, whiny, self-righteous know it all, and I love me a spineless, self-righteous know it all.
 
Caracus2k said:
The ideas exist what you choose to call the ideology is largely semantics
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But using the phrase "cultural marxism", "SJW" and talking about the downfall of "western civilisation" is pretty much exactly how people would do a lazy impression of a basement-living 4chan user copying and pasting their alt-right talking points. If you're as interested in a legitimate discussion as you claim to be, then it's probably a good idea to find a way to express your opinions that doesn't instantly get you thrown into such a toxic category.
 
stewski said:
Would the matter be that inequality is fairer than equality?

My personal reaction was pretty similar to this.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ut-hardly-worst-one-david-mitchell-asa-gender
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I'm largely a fellow traveller with a lot of David'expressed view

Essentially my view of striving for equality (of outcome) is that it has to be forced and hence logically slips towards totalitarianism. This is because people a not equal. I would never be able to run as fast as Usain Bolt at any age I was at and with any amount of training and support. Similarly I will never be as smart as other people. Live is always a bit unfair..... My on Friedman said it quite well in this regard

'A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.'

(but you will never reach a perfectly 'fair' society because it's an elusive unnatanable fairy tale) individual freedom just gets you the closest to some sort of cosmic 'fairness'

(not I don't subscribe to all of Friedman thoughts just think he's right on this none)
 
Diddums said:
If you're going to go that low, I suggest you brush up on your writing skills first.


Also, I was enjoying reading this thread until you came along and spouted arguably the biggest load of toss I've seen on here all week. As someone who doesn't frequent GD all that often you may not be aware of how absolute this statement is but make no mistake: you really did fall flat on this one.

To then play the poor little victim card and cry abuse every time someone calls you out just cements your image of being a spineless, whiny, self-righteous know it all, and I love me a spineless, self-righteous know it all.
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I'm still waiting for some sort of attempt at a counter argument that isn't solely ad hominem.. .

I'll just add you to the list shall I?

I didn't direct my post at any person and didn't start abusing anyone. If you are unable to skip past a post not directed at you which you happen to disagree without becoming all offended and abusive then you most find life very challenging.

Personally I doesn't bother me if people only have abuse and or threats to offer I would just rather argue the points at hand
 
Caracus2k said:
I'm largely a fellow traveller with a lot of David'expressed view

Essentially my view of striving for equality (of outcome) is that it has to be forced and hence logically slips towards totalitarianism. This is because people a not equal. I would never be able to run as fast as Usain Bolt at any age I was at and with any amount of training and support. Similarly I will never be as smart as other people. Live is always a bit unfair..... My on Friedman said it quite well in this regard

'A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.'

(but you will never reach a perfectly 'fair' society because it's an elusive unnatanable fairy tale) individual freedom just gets you the closest to some sort of cosmic 'fairness'

(not I don't subscribe to all of Friedman thoughts just think he's right on this none)
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That may be what you think.
I'd say its not relevant that you aren't as fast as Usain to a discussion on if advertisers should be given free reign to paint everyone making gravy as a Lady and frankly the missus gravy is no where near mine in quality anyway. Where we may agree with Dave is that this really isn't the biggest issue with advertising in the UK today?
 
Caracus2k said:
I'm still waiting for some sort of attempt at a counter argument that isn't solely ad homing. I'll just add you to the list shall I?

I didn't direct my post at any person and didn't start abusing anyone. If you unable to skip past a post not directed at you which you happen to disagree with out become in all offended and a abusive then you most find life very challenging
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Go on big guy, add me to your list. Make me feel the pain and suffering of being rejected by a random person on the internet with a very ridiculous outlook on life. I didn't aim my (unedited, go look, I won't change what I said) post at anyone. It was a humorous jibe but evidently you are too busy telling people to stop insulting you and start agreeing with you to recognise humour.


Answer me this though:


You're a "free man on the land" aren't you? Do you use words like "my person" a lot? Genuinely curious.
 
stewski said:
That may be what you think.
I'd say its not relevant that you aren't as fast as Usain to a discussion on if advertisers should be given free reign to paint everyone making gravy as a Lady and frankly the missus gravy is no where near mine in quality anyway. Where we may agree with Dave is that this really isn't the biggest issue with advertising in the UK today?
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Problem is this sort of intervention causes forced behaviour. I really don't care who makes the best gravy in your house, advertisers should be free to depict the use of their products how the wish as long as they are not misrepresenting the product or otherwise falling foul of rules on abuse or other similar issues.

If advertisers get it wrong the product pays the price (in reduced sales) . That the closest you get to a 'fair' system
 
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You won't offend me. It's not possible. Very few people have managed to offend me on the internet and they are a million times more than you could ever hooe to be, so don't flatter yourself sunshine, there's no need for that.


And yes, life is very challenging. Well, for people who have jobs, and bills to pay, and commitments. You'll find out one day.
 
Diddums said:
Go on big guy, add me to your list. Make me feel the pain and suffering of being rejected by a random person on the internet with a very ridiculous outlook on life. I didn't aim my (unedited, go look, I won't change what I said) post at anyone. It was a humorous jibe but evidently you are too busy telling people to stop insulting you and start agreeing with you to recognise humour.


Answer me this though:


You're a "free man on the land" aren't you? Do you use words like "my person" a lot? Genuinely curious.
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No I'm not a free man of the land, if your referring to what I think you are. They are a bunch of loons, in my opinion...... Next
 
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Diddums said:
Oh and to save editing again:

You won't offend me. It's not possible. Very few people have managed to offend me on the internet and they are a million times more than you could ever hooe to be, so don't flatter yourself sunshine, there's no need for that.


And yes, life is very challenging. Well, for people who have jobs, and bills to pay, and commitments. You'll find out one day.
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You make a lot of assumptions don't you, rather ironic in a thread about stereotyping....

Not that it's any of your business but I'm a married family man with a career for 15+ years
 
Caracus2k said:
Problem is this sort of intervention causes forced behaviour. I really don't care who makes the best gravy in your house, advertisers should be free to depict the use of their products how the wish as long as they are not misrepresenting the product or otherwise falling foul of rules on abuse or other similar issues.

If advertisers get it wrong the product pays the price (in reduced sales) . That the closest you get to a 'fair' system
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If you believe commercial capitalism and advertising is the closest humans get to fair I'm splitting up the band due to creative differences :)
 
stewski said:
If you believe commercial capitalism and advertising is the closest humans get to fair I'm splitting up the band due to creative differences :)
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I believe in a largely libertarian approach to how society is ordered with rules and restrictions where they can be shown to be proportionate and necessary
 
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